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« Reply #8160 on: February 20, 2023, 10:31:37 am »
This is one of the best summations of Trump, and why he was popular.

The “honest liar”.


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« Reply #8161 on: February 20, 2023, 11:23:54 am »
And then he changed the tax code to benefit the super-wealthy even more. He's right  You did get played for a gullible fool.
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« Reply #8162 on: March 01, 2023, 10:41:21 am »
Four new polls show former President Trump has received a boost in Republican support — with one survey showing him hitting 50% support in a crowded GOP field.

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A new Emerson poll found Trump with a 30-point lead (55%-25%) against Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis — up from a 26-point lead (55%-29%) over DeSantis in Emerson's January survey.

A new Yahoo News/YouGov poll has Trump opening up an 8-point lead on DeSantis (47%-39%), after DeSantis led the former president by 4 in the pollster's previous survey at the beginning of February.

The GOP polling firm Echelon Insights found Trump leading DeSantis by 15 points (46%-31%) on a national ballot test. Last month, the pollster found Trump only leading DeSantis by 2 points (36%-34%).

Fox News' first presidential primary poll, testing the GOP presidential ballot, found Trump leading DeSantis by 15 points (43%-28%).

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« Reply #8163 on: March 01, 2023, 10:57:25 am »
OK so Biden again then...

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« Reply #8164 on: March 01, 2023, 11:04:52 am »
OK so Biden again then...
Well, in my opinion, ANY democrat is better than ANY republican. (At least until the Republicans have spent some time in the wilderness and have decided that turning over the party to a bunch of corrupt nutcases is perhaps not the best way to go.)

Would be nice if the Democrats managed to find a good, young leader who could take over the reigns in 2024 and put together a couple of successful runs at the presidency. But any leadership campaign is a risk, and you could always end up with a candidate whos reputation is damaged in the primaries so they become unelectable.

Biden is relatively "safe". Yes, he's old. But he us unlikely to have any real skeletons in his closet that haven't been revealed by now, and there wouldn't be a leadership battle to damage his reputation more. And we know he can beat Trump.

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« Reply #8165 on: March 01, 2023, 12:17:05 pm »
Well, in my opinion, ANY democrat is better than ANY republican. (At least until the Republicans have spent some time in the wilderness and have decided that turning over the party to a bunch of corrupt nutcases is perhaps not the best way to go.)

Would be nice if the Democrats managed to find a good, young leader who could take over the reigns in 2024 and put together a couple of successful runs at the presidency. But any leadership campaign is a risk, and you could always end up with a candidate whos reputation is damaged in the primaries so they become unelectable.

Biden is relatively "safe". Yes, he's old. But he us unlikely to have any real skeletons in his closet that haven't been revealed by now, and there wouldn't be a leadership battle to damage his reputation more. And we know he can beat Trump.

JB Pritzker.

1) He's filthy rich.
2) He's the governor of a large midwestern state.
3) He's a big boy and voters love absolute units.
4) He has a presidential voice and bearing unlike a shrill dork like Meatball Ron.

Gretchen Whitmer would be another good choice IMO.

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« Reply #8166 on: March 01, 2023, 04:45:33 pm »
And then he changed the tax code to benefit the super-wealthy even more. He's right  You did get played for a gullible fool.

Trump was also smart enough to pass a bill that increased taxes for the middle class, but had the bill delayed from being put into practice until 2024, when he was on the way out. So now when people notice their taxes going up, they will essentially blame Biden for it. 

Unless of course, you are in the richest 5% tax bracket (when you see your taxes cut).  The Working and Middle class are essentially subsidising the rich in America.

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« Reply #8167 on: March 01, 2023, 04:48:52 pm »
Trump was also smart enough to pass a bill that increased taxes for the middle class, but had the bill delayed from being put into practice until 2024, when he was on the way out. So now when people notice their taxes going up, they will essentially blame Biden for it. 

Unless of course, you are in the richest 5% tax bracket (when you see your taxes cut).  The Working and Middle class are essentially subsidising the rich in America.
Complete nonsense.

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« Reply #8168 on: March 01, 2023, 04:52:48 pm »
Four new polls show former President Trump has received a boost in Republican support — with one survey showing him hitting 50% support in a crowded GOP field.

"Trump wins a whopping 72% support among Republicans with a high school degree or less."

Trump will always be the champion of uneducated rural people.  They are the easiest to mislead.

This parallels the support for Putin in Russia. Coincidentally, the people dying in east Ukraine happen to be uneducated rural people.  The people in Moscow and St.Petersburg have been relatively unaffected.

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« Reply #8169 on: March 08, 2023, 08:52:15 am »
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“We are very, very close to being able to ignore Trump most nights. I truly can’t wait. … I hate him passionately.”

“We’re all pretending we’ve got a lot to show for it, because admitting what a disaster it’s been is too tough to digest. But come on. There really isn’t an upside to Trump.”

"Trump is a demonic force...what Trump's good at is destroying things. He's the undisputed world champion at that."

- Tucker Carlson (off the record)

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« Reply #8170 on: March 08, 2023, 10:10:48 am »
Complete nonsense.

Actually it isn’t. The corporate cuts are permanent but the individual cuts expire in 2025.
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« Reply #8171 on: March 08, 2023, 11:08:43 am »
"Trump wins a whopping 72% support among Republicans with a high school degree or less."

Trump will always be the champion of uneducated rural people.  They are the easiest to mislead.

This parallels the support for Putin in Russia. Coincidentally, the people dying in east Ukraine happen to be uneducated rural people.  The people in Moscow and St.Petersburg have been relatively unaffected.

I've said it a million times: Trump's base isn't hillbillies in the sticks, it's well-off suburbanites.

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« Reply #8172 on: March 09, 2023, 07:19:11 pm »

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« Reply #8173 on: March 09, 2023, 08:44:13 pm »
https://www.theglobeandmail.com/world/article-manhattan-prosecutors-signal-criminal-charges-likely-for-trump/

Criminal charges for our boy.... with the Stormy payoff...

Love to see him locked up, but what actually is the crime here?  Of all the things Trump has done wrong, this is the only one I couldn't figure out.  Where's the actual crime?  He had sex with someone, and he paid them not to bang on about it?  Am I missing something?

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« Reply #8174 on: March 09, 2023, 09:45:10 pm »
Love to see him locked up, but what actually is the crime here?  Of all the things Trump has done wrong, this is the only one I couldn't figure out.  Where's the actual crime?  He had sex with someone, and he paid them not to bang on about it?  Am I missing something?
Well for one, it is a campaign finance violation. Political donations need to be tracked. If Trump spent money to keep Stormy Daniels from talking, then that would benefit his campaign, and the hush money would be considered a campaign donation (which in this case wasn't declared).

The prosecutors may also be looking into how Trump actually paid her. He may not have paid the hush money out of his own pocket, but from the Trump organization. Depending on how the payment was structured within the organization, it might have been done illegally (since there are rules about how businesses can move money around. I don't think "payment to a **** star I banged" would be considered a legitimate business expense.)

Overall, it should be a pretty easy case to make. After all, this was one of the things that his former lawyer Cohen was sent to jail for (not to mention that they have Trump's signature on a cheque.)  Although I am surprised that of all the legal problems Trump is facing, this case seems closest to indictment, since things like the investigation into theft of classified documents or the Georgia election case seemed to be further along.

And of all the things that Trump has done, this seems like a pretty small thing to prosecute him over. But still... he broke the law. If Cohen deserved jail for it, then Trump does too. And hopefully it will open a floodgate of charges from other jurisdictions all trying to get a piece of Trump. And frankly, after all the setbacks/disappointments we've had regarding Trump's criminal history, I'd be happy to see him brought to court for, well, ANYTHING at this point.
- Bragg went against his prosecutors in deciding not to pursue criminal fraud charges
- Republicans allowed Trump a free pass over his attempts to blackmail Ukraine and over his support of terrorism in 2 impeachments
- Muller failed to recognize the lack of integrity of the GOP over his investigation into Russian election interference (he documented various crimes Trump could have been charged with, but he assumed republicans would do the right thing. They didn't, and as a result Trump wasn't charged over any of it.)
- His tax fraud, Trump University and Trump Foundation crimes were all treated as civil cases, so no jail time possible
- His delay tactics managed to see him avoid any sort of repercussions over emoluments over his washington DC hotel.
- The Georgia election case could see indictments, but the process there seems to be sloooow (with one grand jury hearing evidence but only making recommendations that another grand jury will have to consider)
- Garland seemed to be overly-cautious in dealing with Trump's document theft. Fortunately he brought in Jack Smith, who seems to be a lot more...aggressive. Unfortunately it seems like they may try to merge the document case with an election interference case (which might slow things down since they will have to wait until both cases are ready for prosecution.)





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