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Re: The Donald Trump Thread
« Reply #6360 on: October 23, 2020, 03:01:36 pm »
A solid indication that Trump won the debate.
https://www.cnn.com/2020/09/29/politics/donald-trump-joe-biden-debate-poll/index.html

If Biden had won it would have to be more like 7/3 or maybe 8/2.
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Re: The Donald Trump Thread
« Reply #6361 on: October 23, 2020, 04:49:33 pm »
That's not the way fact checkers saw it:

https://www.cnn.com/2020/10/22/politics/fact-check-final-presidential-election-debate/index.html

CNN fact checker is like a FOX News fact-checker: utterly useless propaganda.
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Re: The Donald Trump Thread
« Reply #6362 on: October 23, 2020, 04:57:01 pm »
Trump "lies more"? That is certainly an understatement. Trump lies a lot more, and trying to give them any sort of equivalence (like "both lied a lot") seems to be a major distortion.

CNN has provided a list of some of the various lies that both Biden and Trump made... Biden had roughly a dozen false statements, but many/most of them were of the "partly true but needs context" variety.

By comparison, Trump had over 2 dozen false statements (i.e. many more than Biden), and many more of them were of the "This is an outright falsehood that cannot be explained by context" type.

See: https://www.cnn.com/2020/10/22/politics/fact-check-final-presidential-election-debate/index.html

ETA: Darn, ninja'd.

"Fact-check" and "CNN' don't belong in the same sentence.

Also, yes obviously Trump lied more, I specifically said that.  I'm saying Biden lied too.  It's not an "equivalence" to say that when I specifically said Trump lied MORE.  Jesus.  I would vote for Biden btw.  Here's an example, and Biden denied this specific claim last night:  https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/biden-trump-xenophobic/

But go on, everyone give Biden a pass because you hate Trump more.
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Re: The Donald Trump Thread
« Reply #6363 on: October 23, 2020, 04:59:00 pm »
That's not the way fact checkers saw it:

https://www.cnn.com/2020/10/22/politics/fact-check-final-presidential-election-debate/index.html

Did CNN say Biden never lied?  Because if they did, they're both liars.

I specifically said Trump lied more.  I don't know what point you're trying to make. 
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« Reply #6364 on: October 23, 2020, 06:51:32 pm »
"Fact-check" and "CNN' don't belong in the same sentence.

rise above Trumpian criticism of CNN! Over recent months, CNN fact-checking has been principally done by Canadian journalist Daniel Dale (formerly Toronto Star's Washington bureau chief). It was while still with TorStar that Dale began to gain wide media notice for his fact-checking Trump - eventually, CNN hired him.

Here's an example, and Biden denied this specific claim last night:  https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/biden-trump-xenophobic/

again, context! Trump's claim was in regards to China travel restrictions. Biden has labeled the zenophobic Trump a zenophobe several times - but never in regards to China travel restrictions.

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« Reply #6365 on: October 23, 2020, 07:21:50 pm »
rise above Trumpian criticism of CNN! Over recent months, CNN fact-checking has been principally done by Canadian journalist Daniel Dale (formerly Toronto Star's Washington bureau chief). It was while still with TorStar that Dale began to gain wide media notice for his fact-checking Trump - eventually, CNN hired him.

Anyone who thinks CNN is any different in pushing propaganda and bias than FOX News is either low in intelligence or an azzhole.  Regardless of Trump's opinions of CNN.

You're a walking, talking wind-up propaganda machine.  I literally don't give 2 craps what you think about anything.
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Re: The Donald Trump Thread
« Reply #6366 on: October 23, 2020, 08:07:36 pm »
Anyone who thinks CNN is any different in pushing propaganda and bias than FOX News is either low in intelligence or an azzhole.  Regardless of Trump's opinions of CNN.

You're a walking, talking wind-up propaganda machine.  I literally don't give 2 craps what you think about anything.

whatever bias you interpret CNN to have, "it" doesn't carry over into the referenced fact-checking - again, Daniel Dale brings the receipts!

I don't know how I'll ever recover from your slag! Thanks for replying and showcasing just how many craps you do give  ;D
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Re: The Donald Trump Thread
« Reply #6367 on: October 23, 2020, 09:52:17 pm »
Anyone who thinks CNN is any different in pushing propaganda and bias than FOX News is either low in intelligence or an azzhole.  Regardless of Trump's opinions of CNN.

You're a walking, talking wind-up propaganda machine.  I literally don't give 2 craps what you think about anything.

This is the both sides bs that got America into this mess. Daniel Dale is unimpeachable.
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Re: The Donald Trump Thread
« Reply #6368 on: October 23, 2020, 09:53:37 pm »
Did CNN say Biden never lied?  Because if they did, they're both liars.

I specifically said Trump lied more.  I don't know what point you're trying to make.

More? It’s not even in the same universe. All humans lie, but not like Trump. You probably believe he’s draining the swamp too.
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Re: The Donald Trump Thread
« Reply #6369 on: October 23, 2020, 11:32:42 pm »
More? It’s not even in the same universe. All humans lie, but not like Trump. You probably believe he’s draining the swamp too.

I'm talking about the debate.  They both lied.  Trump lied more.  He is the swamp.
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Re: The Donald Trump Thread
« Reply #6370 on: October 23, 2020, 11:33:22 pm »
This is the both sides bs that got America into this mess. Daniel Dale is unimpeachable.

Both sides lie.  One lies a lot more than the other.  I don't like either of them.  I dislike Biden less.
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« Reply #6371 on: October 23, 2020, 11:50:53 pm »
Did CNN say Biden never lied?
Actually if you go to my post, you can see an overview of the number (and type) of lies that both gave.  So no, CNN did not say "Biden never lied".
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I specifically said Trump lied more.  I don't know what point you're trying to make.
I thought the point was rather clear... the number and type of lies used by Trump is so much more significant than calling Biden "a liar" ignores the magnitude of the difference between the 2.

Both Trump and Biden are liars, in the same way that a murderer and a jaywalker are both criminals.... yes, technically it is true, but its a distorted way to look at things.

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Anyone who thinks CNN is any different in pushing propaganda and bias than FOX News is either low in intelligence or an azzhole.

You really don't understand what Fox news is, do you.

I have no problem with someone claiming that CNN has a bias. But, for the most part they function with a certain amount of journalistic ethics. Fox does not.... they will regularly manufacture scandals to attack Democrats where none exists, engage in pure hypocrisy and partisanship, and outright lie.

Consider for example a picture from Obama's tenure, where he was shown saluting with a coffee cup in his hand. This was a major scandal on Fox, and multiple commentators all held it up as some sort of moral failing. (OMG! He is disrespecting the troops). Yet only a few years earlier, Bush had been photographed saluting while holding a dog. There was absolutely no comment from Fox at the time. Furthermore, CNN did not similarly suggest that Bush's scandal was somehow "disrespecting the troops", even though if we follow your logic (that CNN is the same as Fox) then they would have had it splashed all over their news programs. But they did not.
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Re: The Donald Trump Thread
« Reply #6372 on: October 24, 2020, 12:02:40 am »
Both sides lie.  One lies a lot more than the other.  I don't like either of them.  I dislike Biden less.

I just don’t think that’s a fair comparison. Yes, Biden lies. I lie. You lie. For Trump we need to invent a new word. Trump doesn’t lie. Trump spews untruth with a firehose. He’s a grenade of lies.
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Re: The Donald Trump Thread
« Reply #6373 on: October 24, 2020, 11:21:22 am »
I just don’t think that’s a fair comparison. Yes, Biden lies. I lie. You lie. For Trump we need to invent a new word. Trump doesn’t lie. Trump spews untruth with a firehose. He’s a grenade of lies.
Trump doesn't just lie....he completely makes **** up. Biden's "lies" are spin, iow, contextualizing things in the most positive light for him and his party. That's not the same as just making up wild-ass bullshit.
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Re: The Donald Trump Thread
« Reply #6374 on: October 24, 2020, 11:31:53 am »