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« Reply #6345 on: October 22, 2020, 08:05:35 pm »
He really needs to lay off the bronzer. The ****.

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« Reply #6346 on: October 22, 2020, 08:07:06 pm »
He really needs to lay off the bronzer. The ****.

What are you talking about???   Only the healthiest of human specimens are that shade of orange...
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« Reply #6347 on: October 22, 2020, 09:39:15 pm »
lol, what an idiot....

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« Reply #6348 on: October 23, 2020, 12:43:18 pm »
You can tell that Trump clearly won the debate.  Yes, yes, he's orange, etc.  Never heard that one before.
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« Reply #6349 on: October 23, 2020, 12:44:39 pm »
Trump announces a new peace deal.  Sudan and Israel agree to normalize relations.  Why couldn't Hopey Changey get any of this done?  Weird.
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« Reply #6350 on: October 23, 2020, 12:49:19 pm »
If Trump's lies are ignored then Trump most likely won that debate.
However it's really a question of how many Americans are uninformed enough to be fooled by lies.
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« Reply #6351 on: October 23, 2020, 01:27:07 pm »
You can tell that Trump clearly won the debate.
Do you ever get tired of being wrong?

From: https://www.cnn.com/2020/10/22/politics/cnn-poll-final-presidential-debate/index.html
Joe Biden did a better job in the final debate on Thursday, according to a CNN Instant Poll of debate watchers. Overall, 53% of voters who watched the debate said that Biden won the matchup, while 39% said that President Donald Trump did.

Looks like the reality is that Biden won the debate.
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« Reply #6352 on: October 23, 2020, 01:41:51 pm »
Do you ever get tired of being wrong?

From: https://www.cnn.com/2020/10/22/politics/cnn-poll-final-presidential-debate/index.html
Joe Biden did a better job in the final debate on Thursday, according to a CNN Instant Poll of debate watchers. Overall, 53% of voters who watched the debate said that Biden won the matchup, while 39% said that President Donald Trump did.

Looks like the reality is that Biden won the debate.

An opinion poll would be expected to say just that. It's close to matching the opinions of their respective % of followers.
But that's Americans and as Canadians we should be capable of being a bit more objective. Trump came across as strong and loud while Biden appeared to be hanging his head in shame or even about to go to sleep.

The only way to see it as Biden winning would necessitate attaching a whole new meaning to the question on who won.

I think it's at least true that hardly any sane person could lose a debate against Trump now, but that calls for a deeper analysis than Americans can provide. On the surface, without an examination of the truths and lies, Trump came out the winner.
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« Reply #6353 on: October 23, 2020, 01:57:10 pm »
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Looks like the reality is that Biden won the debate.
An opinion poll would be expected to say just that. It's close to matching the opinions of their respective % of followers.
While it may be true that some (maybe even most) voters will view their preferred candidate more favorably than the opposition, it is not universal.

After the first presidential debate, only roughly 33% of voters said Trump had done a good job, despite the fact that at the time Trump's polling numbers were in the low 40% range. That means that roughly a fifth of his own supporters said he did poorly.

The same thing happened in the 2016 election, with polls regularly showing people thought Clinton did better than Trump, even more than the popular vote polls were showing.

Trump is currently sitting at 42% in the polls. The CNN debate poll shows him at 39%. That suggests that a significant number of his supporters said he lost the debate too. (It might not change their mind and they may still vote for him anyways, since they may not see the debates as critical in forming their opinions.)
If Trump really had "won" the debate, you would expect the post-debate poll to show him at least equal or even higher than his general poll standings.

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/trump-biden-debate-poll/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_United_States_presidential_debates
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« Reply #6354 on: October 23, 2020, 02:26:23 pm »
An opinion poll would be expected to say just that. It's close to matching the opinions of their respective % of followers.

While it may be true that some (maybe even most) voters will view their preferred candidate more favorably than the opposition, it is not universal.

After the first presidential debate, only roughly 33% of voters said Trump had done a good job, despite the fact that at the time Trump's polling numbers were in the low 40% range. That means that roughly a fifth of his own supporters said he did poorly.

The same thing happened in the 2016 election, with polls regularly showing people thought Clinton did better than Trump, even more than the popular vote polls were showing.

Trump is currently sitting at 42% in the polls. The CNN debate poll shows him at 39%. That suggests that a significant number of his supporters said he lost the debate too. (It might not change their mind and they may still vote for him anyways, since they may not see the debates as critical in forming their opinions.)
If Trump really had "won" the debate, you would expect the post-debate poll to show him at least equal or even higher than his general poll standings.

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/trump-biden-debate-poll/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_United_States_presidential_debates

Trump was obviously the loser in the first debate.
We'll have to wait a few days to see if Trump's popularity is moved by this one. I lean towards him getting a slight gain. However, that could be for other influencing factors.
It was believed afterward that the man was a lunatic, because there was no sense in what he said. ~M.T.

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« Reply #6355 on: October 23, 2020, 02:35:25 pm »
If Trump's lies are ignored then Trump most likely won that debate.
However it's really a question of how many Americans are uninformed enough to be fooled by lies.

I thought they both lied a lot.  Trump lies more, but the debate was a pair of old geriatric dummies trying to sell me snake oil.  At least Biden is 20x more likeable than Hillary.
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« Reply #6356 on: October 23, 2020, 02:41:29 pm »
I thought they both lied a lot.  Trump lies more, but the debate was a pair of old geriatric dummies trying to sell me snake oil.  At least Biden is 20x more likeable than Hillary.

I agree on Biden lying too but who would you say won it?
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« Reply #6358 on: October 23, 2020, 02:53:25 pm »
I thought they both lied a lot.  Trump lies more, but the debate was a pair of old geriatric dummies trying to sell me snake oil.
Trump "lies more"? That is certainly an understatement. Trump lies a lot more, and trying to give them any sort of equivalence (like "both lied a lot") seems to be a major distortion.

CNN has provided a list of some of the various lies that both Biden and Trump made... Biden had roughly a dozen false statements, but many/most of them were of the "partly true but needs context" variety.

By comparison, Trump had over 2 dozen false statements (i.e. many more than Biden), and many more of them were of the "This is an outright falsehood that cannot be explained by context" type.

See: https://www.cnn.com/2020/10/22/politics/fact-check-final-presidential-election-debate/index.html

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« Reply #6359 on: October 23, 2020, 03:00:18 pm »
That's not the way fact checkers saw it:

https://www.cnn.com/2020/10/22/politics/fact-check-final-presidential-election-debate/index.html

Graham is not one to let facts get in the way of his preconceived notions.
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