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Offline Omni

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« Reply #5805 on: May 27, 2020, 05:46:12 pm »
So trump has his little knickers in a knot because twitter dared expose some of the complete utter bullshit trump tweets regularly so he appears ready to sigh an order to shut them down.

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« Reply #5806 on: May 28, 2020, 06:11:08 am »
a start - babySteps! --- In a first, Twitter adds fact-check warnings to Trump tweets

image showing added fact-checking links... and linked "fact checking":


and the latest has Trump supposedly issuing an executive order today... to supposedly place uppity social networks where they belong - under his "thumbscrews"!

of course a long-standing victim-play has right-wing/conservatives steadfastly claiming those wascally liberalSocialNetwork platforms are all heavily biased against conservative thought/positions - that they censor conservative speech. And in a most timely outcome, a ruling came forward yesterday in the 2018 lawsuit, "Loomer & Freedom Watch versus Apple/Google/Facebook/Twitter"; a lawsuit where the plantiffs alleged that those platforms worked together to “intentionally and willfully suppress politically conservative content.” The court ruling found that the plaintiffs “failed to tie [their] concerns to colorable legal claims” and dismissed the lawsuit.

from the US District Court for the District of Columbia ruling:


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« Reply #5807 on: May 28, 2020, 11:26:29 am »
and then there's that azzhole Zuckerberg weighing in... by the by, "many are saying" Zuckerberg's Facebook business model is nothing more than a commercialized distribution of lies, misinformation and propaganda.

of course, in a Fox News interview: Zuckerberg knocks Twitter for fact-checking Trump, says private companies shouldn't be 'the arbiter of truth'

Quote from: Facebook CEO, Mark Zuckerberg
I just believe strongly that Facebook shouldn't be the arbiter of truth of everything that people say online," he added. "Private companies probably shouldn't be, especially these platform companies, shouldn't be in the position of doing that.

another interview/vid of Facebook CEO Zuckerberg


Twitter CEO Jack Dorsey responds to the 'arbiter of truth' tag Zuckerberg applied:

Quote from: Twitter CEO, Jack Dorsey
The labeling of two of President Donald Trump’s tweets with fact checks does not make Twitter an “arbiter of truth.” Our intention is to connect the dots of conflicting statements and show the information in dispute so people can judge for themselves. More transparency from us is critical so folks can clearly see the why behind our actions

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« Reply #5808 on: May 28, 2020, 07:09:34 pm »
and then there's that azzhole Zuckerberg weighing in... by the by, "many are saying" Zuckerberg's Facebook business model is nothing more than a commercialized distribution of lies, misinformation and propaganda.

of course, in a Fox News interview: Zuckerberg knocks Twitter for fact-checking Trump, says private companies shouldn't be 'the arbiter of truth'

Twitter CEO Jack Dorsey responds to the 'arbiter of truth' tag Zuckerberg applied:

Twitter slapped a warning link below Trump's tweet pointing to a CNN article that refutes Trump's tweet with the headline "Trump makes unsubstantiated claim that mail-in ballots will lead to voter fraud".

Twitter is playing politics with Trump's tweet and injecting their politics and ideology into it.  That shouldn't be their job.  If you disagree you're a hypocrite because if they slapped a "Robert Fife" article link below Trudeau's tweet refuting JWR's claims you'd be trashing twitter.
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« Reply #5809 on: May 28, 2020, 11:09:40 pm »
Twitter slapped a warning link below Trump's tweet pointing to a CNN article that refutes Trump's tweet with the headline "Trump makes unsubstantiated claim that mail-in ballots will lead to voter fraud".

quite obviously you haven't checked the actual link; accordingly, the waldo will allow you another gimme... another do-over!  ;D

lets see; the actual Twitter page linked to those 2 BS tweets from the badOrangeMan includes references to 'The Hill', 'WAPO', 'CNN', 'NBC News', 'RSI', 'ABC News', 'Forbes', 'Christian Science Monitor'... and another 10 or so individuals of varying expert worthy note! So ConspiracyG - not just CNN as you state!

try again, try harder!
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Re: The Donald Trump Thread
« Reply #5810 on: May 28, 2020, 11:32:53 pm »
That shouldn't be their job.

What is Twitter’s “job”?

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« Reply #5811 on: May 28, 2020, 11:35:08 pm »
from the authoritative 'Techdirt blog': The Two Things To Understand About Trump's Executive Order On Social Media: (1) It's A Distraction (2) It's Legally Meaningless

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To be clear: the executive order is nonsense. You can't overrule the law by executive order, nor can you ignore the Constitution. This executive order attempts to do both. It's also blatantly anti-free speech, anti-private property, pro-big government -- which is only mildly amusing, given that Trump and his sycophantic followers like to insist they're the opposite of all of those things. But also, because the executive order only has limited power, there's a lot of huffing and puffing in there for very little actual things that the administration can do. It's very much written in a way to make Trump's fans think he's done something to attack social media companies, but the deeper you dig, the more nothingness you find.
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Anyway -- this is all a distraction. The polls currently don't look great for Trump and over 100,000 people are dead in large part due to Trump's own mismanagement of the COVID-19 pandemic. He doesn't want people talking about this, so he does something performative like this instead. It does get people talking about it, and he knows full well that his ignorant base of sycophantic followers will eat this up in the false belief that it actually means something and will somehow "take away" Section 230. It doesn't. It can't. It's nonsense.

 
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« Reply #5812 on: May 28, 2020, 11:47:57 pm »
It looks like even Republicans are strarting to realize what an idiot their current leader is and are abandoning him in hopes they can retain at least some power come November. Looking like they could lose not only the WH but the senate as well. Meanwhile donny is still trying to figure out how to stifle his favorite communications system twitter, who pointed out a few of his lies lately. Sort of a hilarious gongshow if it wasn't for the fact that the world could use some intelligent leaders at the moment, and he has struck out big time.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/25/us/politics/trump-election-briefings.html

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« Reply #5813 on: May 29, 2020, 02:57:55 pm »
from the authoritative 'Techdirt blog': The Two Things To Understand About Trump's Executive Order On Social Media: (1) It's A Distraction (2) It's Legally Meaningless

Trumpy's EO was so bold, so threatening, so impacting... it resulted in Twitter ramping it up another notch by tagging a TrumpTweet as 'glorifying violence'! - while still allowing the tweet to be read via a flow-through "View" link:




meanwhile... President Karen wants to speak to the manager!  ;D


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« Reply #5814 on: May 30, 2020, 12:26:17 am »
considering its most unapologetic emphasis that its reporting is informed by 'conservative principles', this account from The Dispatch presents a most interesting Section 230 explainer, one with added historical reference: Section 230: Donald Trump vs. Twitter --- Explaining the law that created the modern internet marketplace of ideas

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Twitter didn’t censor the president, but it did single out his tweets, exercised editorial discretion to rebut his tweet, and did so in its corporate voice. Twitter’s action thus was almost perfectly constructed to reignite a raging legal argument that centered around two often-misunderstood terms—“publisher” and “platform.”

Section 230 of the Communications Decency Act has two key provisions. The first simply declares that “No provider or user of an interactive computer service shall be treated as the publisher or speaker of any information provided by another information content provider.” In plain language this means that Facebook can’t be held liable for the content of my posts. Facebook is a platform for my speech, but I’m still the speaker. Facebook is not.

The second provision adds an important twist:

    (2)Civil liability No provider or user of an interactive computer service shall be held liable on account of—

    (A)any action voluntarily taken in good faith to restrict access to or availability of material that the provider or user considers to be obscene, lewd, lascivious, filthy, excessively violent, harassing, or otherwise objectionable, whether or not such material is constitutionally protected

This is the provision that explicitly allows Facebook, Twitter, YouTube, Yelp, and virtually any other online platform to moderate user content without being held liable for user content.

And it just so happens that this provision is the great engine of free speech online. It has created the modern internet marketplace of ideas.
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Section 230 plainly permits companies to restrict access to content it deems “objectionable” without becoming a publisher. That’s the law. Trump’s executive order can’t override it—nor can his rules drafted by his executive agencies. He can, however, can create a tremendous legal mess and spawn an avalanche of lawsuits.

State interference with the speech policies of private corporations is a direct threat to civil liberties. Americans should be able to construct online communities that reflect the culture and ethos of the company’s founders and leaders. While I may argue for policies that better reflect my own values, ultimately I defer to the individuals who built the platform. Their culture and their rules are their decision.
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Trump is massing the power of the executive branch of government in a direct attack on American liberty. American citizens who build and operate their own companies should draw the line in the sand. Twitter (and every other social media company) should not only challenge unconstitutional regulations, it should tell Trump his special privileges are over.


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« Reply #5815 on: May 30, 2020, 04:43:41 pm »
Well now trump is inciting even more violence by suggesting his so called MAGA supporters should come to the WH and challenge the protesters. Good going donny. Now why don't you do the most appropriate thing, keep your mask off, get infected, and die before before you **** the country up more than you already have.

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« Reply #5816 on: May 31, 2020, 12:14:45 am »
If trump hasn't already demonstrated what a useless piece of **** he is, he certainly has done so today by renaining totally absent under the current situation. He's probably **** his pants and crawled under his bed. And he'll go golfing tomorrow.
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« Reply #5817 on: May 31, 2020, 07:26:50 am »
Trump has suggested the G7 be moved to a G11... with India (ok) South Korea (ok) Australia (ok) and.... hmmm.... RUSSIA (BING BING BING BING!!!)

One of these things is not like the other - the non-democratic, organized crime run, UN flouting country that interferes in elections should be sanctioned not invited in, obviously.  But he will politicize this and his flock will support it.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/trumps-businesses-are-full-of-dirty-russian-money-the-scandal-is-thats-legal/2019/03/29/11b812da-5171-11e9-88a1-ed346f0ec94f_story.html

The Russian mob is dirty and disgusting and they are keeping Trump in power.

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« Reply #5818 on: May 31, 2020, 08:21:33 pm »
Trump truly is losing his marbles. I guess he sees election hopes fading and maybe his hairpiece isn't fitting quite right.

A day after claiming he didn’t mean to suggest that law enforcement officials should shoot people who were part of the unrest in Minnesota, President Trump said on Saturday that the Secret Service had been prepared to sic the “most vicious dogs” on protesters outside the White House gates on Friday night.

Those comments were the first of several Mr. Trump made throughout the day that veered wildly in tone and content — from threatening violence against the protesters outside the White House in the morning to sounding notes of sympathy for the pain caused by the “horror” of police brutality in the afternoon to a series of evening messages on Twitter, including one defending the police in New York City.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/30/us/politics/trump-threatens-protesters-dogs-weapons.html

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« Reply #5819 on: May 31, 2020, 08:31:40 pm »
This is where it was always going to end.

Gun nuts will attack peaceful protestors next, I predict.