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« Reply #3630 on: October 22, 2018, 12:18:32 pm »
Cory Booker might be an option...He's relatively young, has had a fairly high-profile from his appearances on the judiciary committee, and is seen by many as a moderate.

The main complaint against him might be the fact that he's unmarried, which will give the far-right to attack him as being gay, or a pervert, or whatever. (Not that the attacks would be fair, just that they might be effective given a certain portion of the electorate.)

And we can be quite sure there is a portion of that electorate that will eat whatever pablum is put before them. To wit: yon current POTUS.

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« Reply #3631 on: October 22, 2018, 02:28:36 pm »
Just listening to Trump and "lyin' Ted" has now become "beautiful Ted" What the **** has made Americans so retarded as to support this scummy little twit?

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« Reply #3632 on: October 22, 2018, 03:11:03 pm »
Cory Booker might be an option...He's relatively young, has had a fairly high-profile from his appearances on the judiciary committee, and is seen by many as a moderate.

The main complaint against him might be the fact that he's unmarried, which will give the far-right to attack him as being gay, or a pervert, or whatever. (Not that the attacks would be fair, just that they might be effective given a certain portion of the electorate.)


And he's not very experienced. I think that was a big part of Obama's problem. He ought to have waited another decade before running. Booker might be a good VP candidate, but if the Democrats want to ensure they get rid of Trump they need a centrist white guy - preferably ex-military.
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« Reply #3633 on: October 22, 2018, 03:21:35 pm »


And he's not very experienced. I think that was a big part of Obama's problem. He ought to have waited another decade before running. Booker might be a good VP candidate, but if the Democrats want to ensure they get rid of Trump they need a centrist white guy - preferably ex-military.

Why must the candidate be White, or are you simply confirming that Americans are equally as bigoted as SOME Canadians?
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« Reply #3634 on: October 22, 2018, 03:42:24 pm »
Trump now claims to know the group fleeing north from Central America are riddled with MS 13 and ,OMG, people from the middle east. That makes geographical sense right? And they must all be murderers right? But wait, some of those ME murderers, such as the crown prince of Saudi, now they are acceptable, as long as they provide the bucks to bail Trump's failing hotels out of bankruptcy. 

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« Reply #3635 on: October 22, 2018, 06:26:13 pm »
Why must the candidate be White, or are you simply confirming that Americans are equally as bigoted as SOME Canadians?

The Right down south are obsessed with Obama, and the big knock on the Democrats is their own obsession with race and identity politics. Part of politics is getting your own base excited but another part is not exciting the other guy's base. Putting out a candidate who is going to be seen as another Obama will definitely help Trump. On the other hand, a white, moderate male will cut the legs out from under the right wing outrage machine.

If I was Trump, and wanted to select a dream team to run against, I'd have it as Warren with Booker, or something similar. A capable white guy with a military background that the center and center left could be assured wouldn't go crazy with the identity politics stuff would pretty much guarantee he'd lose.
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« Reply #3636 on: October 22, 2018, 08:54:21 pm »
The Right down south are obsessed with Obama, and the big knock on the Democrats is their own obsession with race and identity politics. Part of politics is getting your own base excited but another part is not exciting the other guy's base. Putting out a candidate who is going to be seen as another Obama will definitely help Trump. On the other hand, a white, moderate male will cut the legs out from under the right wing outrage machine.

If I was Trump, and wanted to select a dream team to run against, I'd have it as Warren with Booker, or something similar. A capable white guy with a military background that the center and center left could be assured wouldn't go crazy with the identity politics stuff would pretty much guarantee he'd lose.

And that's the sad part of politics, especially in the US were everything is just a game show. 

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« Reply #3637 on: October 22, 2018, 08:58:36 pm »
The Jerry Spinger-ization of America.
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« Reply #3638 on: October 22, 2018, 11:44:05 pm »
The Right down south are obsessed with Obama, and the big knock on the Democrats is their own obsession with race and identity politics. Part of politics is getting your own base excited but another part is not exciting the other guy's base. Putting out a candidate who is going to be seen as another Obama will definitely help Trump. On the other hand, a white, moderate male will cut the legs out from under the right wing outrage machine.

If I was Trump, and wanted to select a dream team to run against, I'd have it as Warren with Booker, or something similar. A capable white guy with a military background that the center and center left could be assured wouldn't go crazy with the identity politics stuff would pretty much guarantee he'd lose.

You might be right.  It disgusts me, but you might be right.

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« Reply #3639 on: October 23, 2018, 05:58:13 am »
https://www.amazon.com/Life-Movie-Entertainment-Conquered-Reality/dp/0375706534

This book captured it.  Published in 2000, at the dawn of the internet, it basically laid out current day.  The stories we tell reflect the world, but also how we want the world to be.  We then change the world to reflect our stories.

Think about two tribes who encounter each other accidentally, and engage in skirmish.  The story would be told to suit the narrative, within each tribe, so that the next time they were met the other tribe were fully demonized in the minds of all who heard the stories.

I have more thoughts on this, with regards to narrative and science, for another thread maybe...

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« Reply #3640 on: October 23, 2018, 10:58:34 am »
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Cory Booker might be an option...He's relatively young, has had a fairly high-profile from his appearances on the judiciary committee, and is seen by many as a moderate.

The main complaint against him might be the fact that he's unmarried, which will give the far-right to attack him as being gay, or a pervert, or whatever. (Not that the attacks would be fair, just that they might be effective given a certain portion of the electorate.)
And he's not very experienced. I think that was a big part of Obama's problem. He ought to have waited another decade before running.
Booker first got into the senate in 2013. If he runs for president in 2020, he will have served as a senator for  ~7 years. At least to me that sounds like a pretty decent length of time to figure out how the federal government runs. (And in that time he served on both the foreign relations and judiciary committees, both high profile and rather important.) Plus, he has experience as a mayor in New Jersey (sort of a semi-Executive position.)  I certainly feel he has enough experience, and don't really know how much more benefit he would get from hanging around Washington for another decade or so.

Plus, there are drawbacks of waiting. The longer you are around, the more chance that you will either be associated with scandals (deservedly or not), and/or will be seen as a Washington flack.

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if the Democrats want to ensure they get rid of Trump they need a centrist white guy - preferably ex-military.
You may be right in that the Democrats may need to return to a more 'traditional' candidate to secure victory. But, elections are rather hard to predict. Another minority running for the democrats might energize the republican racists, but it may also entice black voters (who voted for Obama but often sat out the Clinton election) to return to the polls.

That's the thing about racism... Trump managed to use bigotry to his advantage, even though his opponent wasn't a minority herself. He doesn't have to run against a minority to whip up racist sentiment, he just has to use the appropriate dog whistle. "They won't protect our children from the evil foreigners".

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« Reply #3641 on: October 23, 2018, 12:15:30 pm »
Booker first got into the senate in 2013. If he runs for president in 2020, he will have served as a senator for  ~7 years. At least to me that sounds like a pretty decent length of time to figure out how the federal government runs. (And in that time he served on both the foreign relations and judiciary committees, both high profile and rather important.) Plus, he has experience as a mayor in New Jersey (sort of a semi-Executive position.)  I certainly feel he has enough experience, and don't really know how much more benefit he would get from hanging around Washington for another decade or so.

He's on the edge. He has more than Obama had. I'd just like him to have a bit more, and show a bit more restraint. I wasn't that impressed with him on the Kavanaugh file, even though I think Kavanaugh should not be a judge at all, much lesson the SC. Mind you, I was a lot less impressed with the Republicans on that file.

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That's the thing about racism... Trump managed to use bigotry to his advantage, even though his opponent wasn't a minority herself. He doesn't have to run against a minority to whip up racist sentiment, he just has to use the appropriate dog whistle. "They won't protect our children from the evil foreigners".

It's not racism. It's a belief that Clinton and her identity politics comrades don't give a **** about the white working class, that they're entirely focused on bettering the lot of various identity groups, and often at the expense of white working class males. Clinton was seen as entirely a creature of identity politics, and any female or minority person the Dems put up as a candidate this time around will be seen the same way. I agree that this is, to an extent, bullshit. The Republicans certainly don't give a damn about working class people of ANY race, for one thing. On the other hand, if all you ever seem to talk about is how to help this or that identity group which is being oppressed/discriminated against (and we know by WHOM) then it's fairly understandable that white people would believe your election will not be in their interest.
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« Reply #3642 on: October 23, 2018, 12:50:31 pm »
 

That's the thing about racism... Trump managed to use bigotry to his advantage, even though his opponent wasn't a minority herself. He doesn't have to run against a minority to whip up racist sentiment, he just has to use the appropriate dog whistle. "They won't protect our children from the evil foreigners".
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And he is throttling up that similar racism/bigotry on the eve of the mid terms by making unsubstantiated claims  that the so called "caravan" of migrants contains ME people, MS13 members etc. And he's also throwing out even more out and out lies saying his arms sale contract with the Saudis (which doesn't actually exist) will generate "a million jobs" while the industry actually provides around 300k jobs.  And it goes on and on however I'm convinced he knows what he is doing and that his base will buy whatever horse shyte comes out of his mouth, regardless of any facts.

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« Reply #3643 on: October 23, 2018, 07:19:43 pm »
The timing of this migrant caravan reaching the US border is going to be fascinating.  Nov. 6, they have lots of time.
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« Reply #3644 on: October 23, 2018, 07:41:58 pm »
The timing of this migrant caravan reaching the US border is going to be fascinating.  Nov. 6, they have lots of time.

Yeah, that idiot Trump claiming the Democrats are funding it when it's the best thing that could have happened for the Republicans.
Now if they can only persuade a Muslim to blow something up before election day...
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