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Offline wilber

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« Reply #1470 on: February 01, 2018, 09:42:31 am »
I suspect Ryan and McConnell envision purging the government agencies and installing friendly, pliable puppets in key positions.  I doubt they envision this as part of a larger authoritarian agenda or consolidation of absolute power. I think they just want this because they're scared of what independent agencies are going to do to Trump and his accomplices. And as GOP members of the House and the Senate continue to make themselves accomplices, they're worried about their own hide.

So in short, yes. Protecting their own hides.

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Could they really be that stupid. If they can render the agencies that are there to ensure governments and politicians operate within the law, then anyone can. Itís been the route to many a dictatorship.
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« Reply #1471 on: February 01, 2018, 10:38:12 am »
Could they really be that stupid.
Yes. How many examples do you need of their hypocrisy? If they do it, it's not a problem. If the Democrats do it, then it's wrong.

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« Reply #1472 on: February 01, 2018, 10:54:26 am »
Yes. How many examples do you need of their hypocrisy? If they do it, it's not a problem. If the Democrats do it, then it's wrong.

By doing this they aren't reinforcing their own power, they are handing even more to Trump. They will make him unassailable because law enforcement will be incapable or unwilling to provide Congress with grounds to act against him. Idiots.
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« Reply #1473 on: February 01, 2018, 11:38:02 am »
It’s not a problem for them because they’re not going to act against him. The probably had them bend the knee and they willing would because they’re sycophants.

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« Reply #1474 on: February 01, 2018, 11:42:39 am »
So you don't think he cares at all about America?

Peripherally.

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Personally I don't think he cares much what anyone thinks about what he says or does, even his "base".  When he started yapping when he first entered the race it was pretty clear he wasn't trying to impress or please anyone & just said what he thought, & what is now "his base" happened to like the straight shooting.

Uh no. Trump has been a  self-promoting huckster and salesman for decades, and a good one. He doesn't just 'say what he thinks' when he's trying to make a sale. He was asked, for example, whether that 'Mexicans are rapists and criminals so we're gonna build a wall' speech he gave right at the start of his candidacy was off the cuff and he admitted that no, he knew exactly what he was going to say before he got out on stage. That was PLANNED. It wasn't off the top of his head. He knew very well that huge numbers of Americans have been fed up over their porous southern border for decades and that demanding a wall would have a lot of appeal, especially among blue collar conservatives.

When he talks about how it's wrong to build stuff overseas or use illegals you think that's what he really thinks? We know he built all his stuff overseas and we knew he used illegals, so clearly not. When he talks about how much he cares about ordinary blue collar workers you think that's true? He's over 70 and never at any point in his life has he said a single thing about any care or concern with the poor or middle class. Suddenly you believe he's discovered their existence and really wants to help?

He's a snake oil salesman with a lot of experience in duping the naive.

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« Reply #1475 on: February 01, 2018, 12:55:30 pm »
Luckily so far it seems he has only been able to dupe around 1/3 of the american voters. Hopefully much of his power will disintegrate come the mid terms.

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« Reply #1476 on: February 01, 2018, 02:08:43 pm »
Uh no. Trump has been a  self-promoting huckster and salesman for decades, and a good one. He doesn't just 'say what he thinks' when he's trying to make a sale.

Have you considered the possibility that he's arguing mostly for policies & views he wants to occur, but uses constant lies instead of facts in order to convince people of their merit?  When he has a fight with someone on twitter, it's the same thing, he wants to humiliate & destroy them, & will exaggerate the claims.  It's still dirty salesman tactics, which I obviously agree he is.

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He was asked, for example, whether that 'Mexicans are rapists and criminals so we're gonna build a wall' speech he gave right at the start of his candidacy was off the cuff and he admitted that no, he knew exactly what he was going to say before he got out on stage. That was PLANNED. It wasn't off the top of his head. He knew very well that huge numbers of Americans have been fed up over their porous southern border for decades and that demanding a wall would have a lot of appeal, especially among blue collar conservatives.

And you believe him when he said that?  "Oh yeah it was planned all along, see I'm so smart". 
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« Reply #1477 on: February 01, 2018, 02:17:59 pm »
Trump has already said he'll release it, and I don't think he has a mind capable of considering things like that. Certainly for all his sniveling about the possible release of mildly classified emails he shows zero concern about releasing information the Justice Department said is classified.
Trump also said he would be happy to testify under oath. I may be wrong, but I think the memo is serving its purpose by never being released. I think releasing a few select tidbits to make the FBI/DOJ look bad would surely lead to a dam burst of leaks that set the record straight and destroy the Republican party.
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« Reply #1478 on: February 01, 2018, 03:00:32 pm »
Have you considered the possibility that he's arguing mostly for policies & views he wants to occur,

I don't think Trump knows anything about policies, nor cares. From all accounts he won't listen to long briefings and won't read anything but press clippings about himself. One of the bankers during his bankruptcy negotiations said he'd never met a CEO who understood less about the figures being discussed, about how much he owed or made or what various alternatives were.

Similarly, I don't think he knows a thing about any of the policies except what someone tells him. He didn't understand the Health care repeal and pushed it until it failed, then he said it was mean, but of course, he got behind the next one, which he also didn't understand. I don't think he understands anything but that Obama made it so he wants to destroy it out of spite. Evidently Mitch McConnell said he'll sign anything they put in front of him.
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« Reply #1479 on: February 01, 2018, 03:12:19 pm »
Trump actually (at one point) said he would sign anything they put in front of him. But then he now wants an FBI memo released that he has, in his day, labelled the release of similar documents treasonous. He's like a duck in a shootin' gallery. The scary part is he seems intent on undermining the rule of law.

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« Reply #1480 on: February 02, 2018, 11:45:33 am »
I can't even keep up anymore. I go to work and come home and there's easily a half dozen new things that would have buried literally any other presidency. This sideshow has gone on long enough.

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« Reply #1481 on: February 02, 2018, 12:14:28 pm »
Well he has now released the "memo" to try and gut the Russia probe. Next he'll be after Rod Rosenstein so he can gut Mueller's investigation as well. Putin must be very happy with how his boy is running the presidency.

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« Reply #1482 on: February 02, 2018, 02:59:12 pm »
So people are supposed to be outraged that they used the Steele dossier as part of the evidence towards getting a FISA warrant against Carter Page, who had already been under surveillance since 2013 when some Russian spies were recorded saying he was a paid Russian operative? And the Steele dossier is bad not because it has been proven to be inaccurate, but because after Republicans initiated it some Democrats helped fund it?
I guess technically you could say it helps prove that the FBI under the Obama administration used political research to justify surveillance of a political rival. But if there's a lot of credible evidence that the political rival is a Russian operative, I think most reasonable people would consider that surveillance to be justifiable.
It comes across as a last-ditch, O.J. Simpson-like, desperate attempt to discredit the police because they know they're going down and they have nothing to lose.
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« Reply #1483 on: February 02, 2018, 04:50:57 pm »
I don't think Trump knows anything about policies, nor cares. From all accounts he won't listen to long briefings and won't read anything but press clippings about himself. One of the bankers during his bankruptcy negotiations said he'd never met a CEO who understood less about the figures being discussed, about how much he owed or made or what various alternatives were.

Similarly, I don't think he knows a thing about any of the policies except what someone tells him. He didn't understand the Health care repeal and pushed it until it failed, then he said it was mean, but of course, he got behind the next one, which he also didn't understand. I don't think he understands anything but that Obama made it so he wants to destroy it out of spite. Evidently Mitch McConnell said he'll sign anything they put in front of him.

Well I agree his understanding and attention span for policies is very, very limited, but I think he still believes they're the right course, which is of course the scary part.  For instance, he sees illegal immigration as a problem and his solution is "a wall" to keep them out.  Nothing more specific or nuanced, no research, no consultations, just "a wall".
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« Reply #1484 on: February 02, 2018, 05:09:53 pm »
Well I agree his understanding and attention span for policies is very, very limited, but I think he still believes they're the right course, which is of course the scary part.  For instance, he sees illegal immigration as a problem and his solution is "a wall" to keep them out.  Nothing more specific or nuanced, no research, no consultations, just "a wall".

Yeah but it's going to be a "big beautiful wall". What more do you need to know?