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Re: Sam Harris With some Needed Explanations on Trump.
« Reply #15 on: November 22, 2020, 01:31:57 pm »
Harris is trying to explain to you that we need to be understanding of the 70 million people who voted for Trump and have believed his claims and bought into his promises, while not forgiving or forgetting Trump and his enablers who are continuing to damage the country by deliberately attempting to undermine trust in democracy.

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I agreed with everything else but I fail to see how understanding won't be viewed as being patronizing and condescending. Usually there's little to no good excuse for ignorance and especially if that ignorance is as seemingly willful as the ignorance on display by the vast majority of that 70 million. As I said in another thread the core of Trump's support stems from a diaspora of disaffected voters who've been following losers around since George Wallace's day.  These people truly are deplorable and probably can't be salvaged. I bet more than a few in the Republican Party wished they could have been scraped off and left behind. But of course the greater GOP must be worried they'll follow some new Trump deeper down the rabbit hole the present Trump is digging and split the conservative vote the way they diluted the progressive vote when they followed Wallace off his cliff.

Edited to add; I need to add the caveat that it's always a stretch for me to call the Democrats the progressive choice in America's two party system.
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Re: Sam Harris With some Needed Explanations on Trump.
« Reply #16 on: November 22, 2020, 01:46:32 pm »
I agreed with everything else but I fail to see how understanding won't be viewed as being patronizing and condescending. Usually there's little to no good excuse for ignorance and especially if that ignorance is as seemingly willful as the ignorance on display by the vast majority of that 70 million. As I said in another thread the core of Trump's support stems from a diaspora of disaffected voters who've been following losers around since George Wallace's day.  These people truly are deplorable and probably can't be salvaged. I bet more than a few in the Republican Party wished they could have been scraped off and left behind. But of course the greater GOP must be worried they'll follow some new Trump deeper down the rabbit hole the present Trump is digging and split the conservative vote the way they diluted the progressive vote when they followed Wallace off his cliff.

You really don't understand what's happening, or at least you don't hint at any understanding, so let's begin again:

The American people are hurting and suffering in poverty. Get that at least. And in fairness to you and others who don't get it yet, it's because they have done such a great job of hiding it from the rest of the world. Also, if an American can be convinced to wave the flag, he's not going to be complaining about living in poverty on food stamps at the same time.

I hope to continue with you after you've absorbed that and can assure us you understand the basics.     
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« Reply #17 on: November 22, 2020, 01:57:31 pm »
You really don't understand what's happening, or at least you don't hint at any understanding, so let's begin again:   
Why don't you just fuck off?
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Re: Sam Harris With some Needed Explanations on Trump.
« Reply #18 on: November 22, 2020, 02:12:52 pm »
Why don't you just fuck off?

No. Your best bet is to just ignore me or start paying attention after you're finished feeling  bad.
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« Reply #19 on: November 22, 2020, 02:20:57 pm »
Your best bet is to just ignore me
Except you said at least a couple of times now that you were going to do that - because you don't understand me you said. That's your problem not mine.

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Re: Sam Harris With some Needed Explanations on Trump.
« Reply #20 on: November 22, 2020, 02:35:39 pm »
... it's because they have done such a great job of hiding it from the rest of the world. 

Don't give us that shit.  No country is able to fuck over their ignorant by feeding them patriotism instead of dollars like they are.





https://www.statista.com/statistics/263601/gross-domestic-product-gdp-per-capita-in-the-united-states/

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« Reply #21 on: November 22, 2020, 02:38:30 pm »
No. Your best bet is to just ignore me or start paying attention after you're finished feeling  bad.

I thought you seemed reasonable but you are trying to tell us that the US is poor ?  They are wealthy and - yes - great.  They don't share that internally like others do. 

Learn about Gini coefficients:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_income_equality

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Re: Sam Harris With some Needed Explanations on Trump.
« Reply #22 on: November 22, 2020, 02:44:10 pm »
Don't give us that shit.  No country is able to fuck over their ignorant by feeding them patriotism instead of dollars like they are.





https://www.statista.com/statistics/263601/gross-domestic-product-gdp-per-capita-in-the-united-states/

Excellent! You're attempting to meet the challenge I've handed you.

Is the average a loaded average? Do the 3 top billionaires in that country possess as much wealth as the lower 50% of the people living in that country?

Have the American people fallen to 15th. in quality of life while the top ten capitalist countries are European countries, led by Canada at #1?
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Re: Sam Harris With some Needed Explanations on Trump.
« Reply #23 on: November 22, 2020, 02:51:28 pm »
I thought you seemed reasonable but you are trying to tell us that the US is poor ?  They are wealthy and - yes - great.  They don't share that internally like others do. 

Learn about Gini coefficients:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_income_equality

Excellent again! One need look no further than the colour coding of the world's countries.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_income_equality

We Canadians don't need to compare ourselves to third world countries or emerging countries such as China. We are the best! We're the pick of the litter MH!

While the map shows us how the US needs to compare itself with other countries.

I greatly fear that you've been fed a load of bullshit by America and Americans. It's not going to be easy for you to vomit it up and then start to relearn.

But hopefully your interest will stimulate some of the other US apologists to start to choke on the same pablum.
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« Reply #24 on: November 22, 2020, 03:26:30 pm »
Yes, Monty.

There's no challenge.

kimmy is a she.

The US isn't poor.

Whatever game you are playing it's not interesting.  Like the guy in the discussion who is full of shit and afraid the others might find out.

I'm wrong a lot.  Best reaction is to thank the one who corrected you.
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Re: Sam Harris With some Needed Explanations on Trump.
« Reply #25 on: November 22, 2020, 03:46:45 pm »
Yes, Monty.

There's no challenge.

kimmy is a she.

The US isn't poor.

Whatever game you are playing it's not interesting.  Like the guy in the discussion who is full of shit and afraid the others might find out.

I'm wrong a lot.  Best reaction is to thank the one who corrected you.

Not really sure what you're trying to say, other than the bit about kimmy.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_income_equality

The colour code made it a slamdunk for me hon/pal/whatever? The once great US is now demoted down to comparing themselves with others than the leading first world countries. That can't be bullshitted away no matter what they try to pass off to us.

It was believed afterward that the man was a lunatic, because there was no sense in what he said. ~M.T.

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Re: Sam Harris With some Needed Explanations on Trump.
« Reply #26 on: November 22, 2020, 04:48:32 pm »
The US is not poor.
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Re: Sam Harris With some Needed Explanations on Trump.
« Reply #27 on: November 22, 2020, 07:02:35 pm »
The US is not poor.

The US is the richest country in the world.

Canada has the highest quality of life in the entire world. So if you're a Canadian:

CAN-A-DA!  CAN-A-DA!  CAN-A-DA!

We're number 1! We're number 1! We're number 1!

We're the best! We're the best! We're the best!

And now let's just understand that and return to being polite and humble. The rest of the world appreciates us for that.
It was believed afterward that the man was a lunatic, because there was no sense in what he said. ~M.T.