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Re: Roy Moore... Republicans keep Hitting Bullseyes
« Reply #15 on: November 11, 2017, 08:17:54 pm »
That’s the calculation they face and they have to make the call whether they want to send a 1 term senator with baggage or risk the democrat winning by doing an emergency write in campaign.  The senate as you know is split in half and every vote is important, especially in these times with the power dynamic the way it is.

You didn't know that the power dynamic has the GOP controlling congress ans the WH? Justifying keeping creeps like Moore around to try and maintain that balance shows a bit of what the republicans are made of. Conservatives are always pounding their fists on the Bible, but downstream it all turns out to be BS.

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« Reply #16 on: November 11, 2017, 08:20:44 pm »
Ya, homophobic, child molesting, religious bigots are bad but Democrats are worse.

Democrats made that calculation with bill Clinton in the whitehouse.  We can’t all be white knights.

The people of Alabama will decide if putting a Democrat in the senate seat making it tougher to get the Rnc agenda through (they did elect congressmen and a president to help with that) is worth sucking it up for a one term garbage senator who will be primaried ASAP.

The rnc congressmen down there have targets on their back as they have almost full control and if they can’t get legislation through they will be turfed as the Americans have been fed up for well over a decade

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« Reply #17 on: November 11, 2017, 08:26:53 pm »
You didn't know that the power dynamic has the GOP controlling congress ans the WH? Justifying keeping creeps like Moore around to try and maintain that balance shows a bit of what the republicans are made of. Conservatives are always pounding their fists on the Bible, but downstream it all turns out to be BS.

The senate is throwing a wrench in getting legislation passed.  The democrats justified keeping their creep in the whitehouse in the 90s and rigging a primary so that the creeps corrupt wife could run for president over Bernie.  Then there are the creeps in Hollywood who are huge democrat donors. 

What I’m saying is both sides will grind whatever grist the mill requires to attain and keep power.

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« Reply #18 on: November 11, 2017, 08:38:42 pm »
The senate is throwing a wrench in getting legislation passed.  The democrats justified keeping their creep in the whitehouse in the 90s and rigging a primary so that the creeps corrupt wife could run for president over Bernie.  Then there are the creeps in Hollywood who are huge democrat donors. 

What I’m saying is both sides will grind whatever grist the mill requires to attain and keep power.

If proposed legislation is unconstitutional, such as the current WH creep keeps promoting, then it is congress' duty to "throw a wrench into it". So far the courts have done that before it even got to congress. Maybe if Trump focused on his reading skills a bit more.

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« Reply #19 on: November 11, 2017, 08:45:07 pm »
If proposed legislation is unconstitutional, such as the current WH creep keeps promoting, then it is congress' duty to "throw a wrench into it". So far the courts have done that before it even got to congress. Maybe if Trump focused on his reading skills a bit more.

The republicans have only done trumps executive orders.  They can’t even get ObamaCare repealed as the senate quashes it.  The judges in the lower courts are getting quashed by the higher ones so some stuff trump is getting through with delays.  The House of Representatives is trying to get stuff through but the senate is busy hindering legislation by playing power games.  It’s not about whether something is “constitutional” or not down there, it’s all a power play such as McCain is doing as he wants to get one over trump.

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Re: Roy Moore... Republicans keep Hitting Bullseyes
« Reply #20 on: November 11, 2017, 08:46:55 pm »
The senate is throwing a wrench in getting legislation passed.  The democrats justified keeping their creep in the whitehouse in the 90s and rigging a primary so that the creeps corrupt wife could run for president over Bernie.  Then there are the creeps in Hollywood who are huge democrat donors. 

What I’m saying is both sides will grind whatever grist the mill requires to attain and keep power.

Since his name cannot be removed from the ballot since the absentee are already in the system, Republicans are already talking about expellin Moore even if he were elected. They seem to comprehend the ugly baggage this guy brings with him.

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Re: Roy Moore... Republicans keep Hitting Bullseyes
« Reply #21 on: November 11, 2017, 08:54:00 pm »
Since his name cannot be removed from the ballot since the absentee are already in the system, Republicans are already talking about expellin Moore even if he were elected. They seem to comprehend the ugly baggage this guy brings with him.

That’s exactly the problem.  Had he had that baggage before the deadline he would be turfed immediately however the Alabama republicans have a moral dilemma as the senate seat is too valuable to cede

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« Reply #22 on: November 11, 2017, 08:57:16 pm »
That’s exactly the problem.  Had he had that baggage before the deadline he would be turfed immediately however the Alabama republicans have a moral dilemma as the senate seat is too valuable to cede

I think the smarter Republicans realize the value of the seat is not worth the bad PR that comes with it.

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« Reply #23 on: November 11, 2017, 09:17:01 pm »
I think the smarter Republicans realize the value of the seat is not worth the bad PR that comes with it.

Is it worth it to not get the agenda that they spent 7-8 years electing a majority house, whitehouse, and slim senate majority?  Remember that the leverage over senate and house reps are the threat of a primary and if that dirty senator were to get elected he would be primaried in short order.  If the republicans decided to be white knights and let the democrat win, that screws over their numbers in the senate which makes it harder for legislation to get through which means voters will be like “we gave you a chance and you burned us” and vote the bums out this resulting in republicans losing their power by possibly losing the house and senate (which I take it would be preferable to you)

It’s a crappy game and like I said Democrats play it too.

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« Reply #24 on: November 11, 2017, 09:36:10 pm »
Is it worth it to not get the agenda that they spent 7-8 years electing a majority house, whitehouse, and slim senate majority?  Remember that the leverage over senate and house reps are the threat of a primary and if that dirty senator were to get elected he would be primaried in short order.  If the republicans decided to be white knights and let the democrat win, that screws over their numbers in the senate which makes it harder for legislation to get through which means voters will be like “we gave you a chance and you burned us” and vote the bums out this resulting in republicans losing their power by possibly losing the house and senate (which I take it would be preferable to you)

It’s a crappy game and like I said Democrats play it too.

Um, the Republicans have had control of the congres and the WH for coming up to a year now, and Trump has managed to get absolutely **** all done. I don't think dumping a sleazy senate hopeful with this kind of baggage is going to make much of an impact. Many in the party want rid of him.

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Re: Roy Moore... Republicans keep Hitting Bullseyes
« Reply #25 on: November 11, 2017, 09:49:45 pm »
Um, the Republicans have had control of the congres and the WH for coming up to a year now, and Trump has managed to get absolutely **** all done. I don't think dumping a sleazy senate hopeful with this kind of baggage is going to make much of an impact. Many in the party want rid of him.

Exactly, they got hardly anything done as gridlock is still there and losing the senate seat to a democrat increases the probability of legislation not getting through.  People want to get rid of him and are annoyed about the rules regarding dumping garbage candidates close to election time.

The republican senate majority is razor thin and both parties are so polarized that deals won’t be made. 

Like I said before if it was a House of Representatives seat the candidate would be dumped.  What I find fascinating was that the dnc was pondering dumping Hillary and calling up Biden when she had her pneumonia.  I bet they are wondering what if. 

Then there was the possibility of dumping trump when the locker room comment video was released.  We know that republicans sucked it up and elected him because the whitehouse win resulting in getting a Supreme Court Justice was more important than taking the moral high ground.


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Re: Roy Moore... Republicans keep Hitting Bullseyes
« Reply #26 on: November 11, 2017, 09:55:47 pm »
Then there was the possibility of dumping trump when the locker room comment video was released.  We know that republicans sucked it up and elected him because the whitehouse win resulting in getting a Supreme Court Justice was more important than taking the moral high ground.

That tells you something about why the GOP ought to be sent down the road kicking horse turds. 
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Re: Roy Moore... Republicans keep Hitting Bullseyes
« Reply #27 on: November 11, 2017, 10:01:35 pm »

Then there was the possibility of dumping trump when the locker room comment video was released.  We know that republicans sucked it up and elected him because the whitehouse win resulting in getting a Supreme Court Justice was more important than taking the moral high ground.


That tells you something about why the GOP ought to be sent down the road kicking horse turds.

So should democrats have went along with impeaching bill Clinton when he was doing his Weinstein Schtick at the White House?

I don’t expect them to and they didn’t because they wanted to keep power instead of taking the moral high ground.  Then there’s hillary’s Corruption issues that keeps coming out of the woodwork.

It’s why the democrats were sent down the road kicking horse turds.  It’s not saying much about the candidate when losing to Donald Trump. 

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Re: Roy Moore... Republicans keep Hitting Bullseyes
« Reply #28 on: November 11, 2017, 10:11:13 pm »
So should democrats have went along with impeaching bill Clinton when he was doing his Weinstein Schtick at the White House?

I don’t expect them to and they didn’t because they wanted to keep power instead of taking the moral high ground.  Then there’s hillary’s Corruption issues that keeps coming out of the woodwork.

It’s why the democrats were sent down the road kicking horse turds.  It’s not saying much about the candidate when losing to Donald Trump.

Wow, you're trying to draw a parallel between Weinstein and Bill Clinton. And as far as Hillary is concerned, the FBI has already been through her case and while she did some things wrong, they found nothing criminal. There's nothing coming out of the woodwork there. But I would agree, losing to an idiot like Trump was not a god omen. That will be fixed at the mid terms I suspect. That is to say, Pelosi takes over as house leader, the Republicans see how bad it could get, and the nasty word "impeachment" gets even louder.
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Re: Roy Moore... Republicans keep Hitting Bullseyes
« Reply #29 on: November 11, 2017, 10:38:48 pm »
Wow, you're trying to draw a parallel between Weinstein and Bill Clinton. And as far as Hillary is concerned, the FBI has already been through her case and while she did some things wrong, they found nothing criminal. There's nothing coming out of the woodwork there. But I would agree, losing to an idiot like Trump was not a god omen. That will be fixed at the mid terms I suspect. That is to say, Pelosi takes over as house leader, the Republicans see how bad it could get, and the nasty word "impeachment" gets even louder.

It is fair to draw a parallel between bill Clinton and Weinstein.  Both are dogs and had shenanigans involving shady sex while in positions of power.

Hillary got the dnc out of debt and as payment had the primaries rigged against Bernie, then there is uranium one being looked at along with her campaign funding the trump dossier.  What your seeing now is the dnc rightfully purging itself of the Clintons (Donna brazile and her book). 

I agree the midterms will be a tough slog for the rnc as they shown voters they can’t get legislation passed along with the media hammering trump at everything and anything.  I don’t know if that many rnc is up for re-election vs the dnc members.