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Offline Michael Hardner

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Re: Religion Culture
« Reply #75 on: December 20, 2022, 09:04:56 pm »
I agree.  It's a different process.  State welfare is provided by taxes which are taken from people, not given.

And not given out with care or love as with a gift.

Offline Queefer Sutherland

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« Reply #76 on: December 20, 2022, 09:17:28 pm »
And not given out with care or love as with a gift.

Right.  Not saying the welfare state is bad, but the process is different.  It's impersonal too.

When you give to a charity you feel good.  When you give directly to the person receiving it you feel even better.  Paying taxes not so much haha.
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Offline Michael Hardner

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« Reply #77 on: December 21, 2022, 04:54:32 am »
That's a good point.  Yes a lot of cult worshippers are basically vulnerable people lost and looking for belonging. Some are young and from broken homes etc.

I studied gangs once, an argument is they also provide a family and sense of belonging/fellowship, and members are often from broken families too.

But you don't need to be "lost" to enjoy that sense of belonging.

The advantages of aspects of our society, such as specialization, are balanced by the losses we have in the social realm.

There can be aspects of socialization in our society such as nationalism, company loyalty and such but they're echoes of true belonging.  Family, including chosen family, remains.

But as people have fewer kids, as young people choose video games and online chatting over hooking up, or even thinking about cohabitation we will be more disintegrated.

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« Reply #78 on: December 21, 2022, 09:53:32 am »
It's culturally odd because money is not part of it.  Commerce is essentially banned.

You can see people who were born wealthy not handling this well....  We camped with some lawyer guy from LA in our camp and whenever I tried to talk to him he was unable to communicate around group tasks.  I'm guessing he was used to servants.

Hegel I think described the slave dialectic, whereby the slave owner himself is enslaved without realizing it.



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« Reply #79 on: December 21, 2022, 03:59:23 pm »
The advantages of aspects of our society, such as specialization, are balanced by the losses we have in the social realm.

There can be aspects of socialization in our society such as nationalism, company loyalty and such but they're echoes of true belonging.  Family, including chosen family, remains.

But as people have fewer kids, as young people choose video games and online chatting over hooking up, or even thinking about cohabitation we will be more disintegrated.

Families interact a lot more with neighbours too when their kids play together, that's for sure.  And they get to know different people in the neighbourhood when their kids go to the same school, on the same school bus etc.

Family is the linchpin of society.  Even the elderly are less lonely and have more purpose when they can help look after grandkids, and their children help look after them in old age.
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