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Offline MH

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Religion Dying in the US
« on: April 05, 2019, 04:38:59 am »

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Not all of those exiting the pews have renounced their faith or converted to another, but huge numbers have joined the ranks of those who claim “no religion” in survey and polling data. Their numbers are now equivalent to Catholics and evangelicals, the two religious groups most in decline behind mainline Protestant churches. 

In 2014, 78% of the unaffiliated, according to Pew polling, were raised in and walked away from a religion. The shift in identity among young people tends to correlate with a shift in politics.

http://www.openculture.com/2019/04/the-nones-are-now-as-big-as-catholics-evangelicals-in-the-united-states.html

You will see a big shift away from christian/moral policies being proposed as the religious folk die off.  Freedom of religion is working :)

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Re: Religion Dying in the US
« Reply #1 on: April 05, 2019, 04:41:38 am »


Similar in Canada - 6X increase since the early 70s

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« Reply #2 on: April 05, 2019, 10:01:15 am »
I don't have the studies in front of me, but religion isn't actually dying per se. Like all other things, it's becoming modernized, which means people are taking more individual control over their spirituality. The euphemism for Catholics is "cafeteria Catholics" because they pick and choose the parts of the doctrine that has the most meaning to them. Many of these people have personal religiosity and spirituality that they feel doesn't fit with the large organized churches, but are still very much religious in an individual way. This is difficult to capture because they will often respond "no religion," as in they're not affiliated with any particular Church, sect, or congregation, but they are indeed religious in a modernized way. Society is becoming more liberal (as in individual liberties and freedoms) and this is just another area where individuality and freedom of choice has changed social organization.

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« Reply #3 on: April 05, 2019, 03:23:55 pm »
I've been following the decline of religion for quite a while now.

This is about JW's:

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Jehovah’s Witnesses have the lowest retention rate relative to any other U.S. religious group. Among all U.S. adults who were raised as Jehovah’s Witnesses, two-thirds (66%) no longer identify with the group.

My personal experience with the group agrees with this - nearly all the kids my kids grew up with - have left the group or are only there because they don't want to lose their families.  I believe the retention rate would be much, much lower if they eliminated the shunning policy.  It's reflected in my own family - Out of myself and 4 other siblings, only 2 are PIMI, the rest of us are POMO.  Out of 8 grandchildren, only 3 are PIMI, 2 are PIMO and the rest are POMO.
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« Reply #4 on: April 05, 2019, 03:27:23 pm »
Sorry, I realized some may not know the acronyms:

PIMI - Physically In, Mentally In

PIMO - Physically In, Mentally Out (can't physically leave)

POMO - Physically Out, Mentally Out

POMI - Physically Out, Mentally In


PIMO's and POMI's is the worst place to be at.
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« Reply #5 on: April 10, 2019, 12:08:34 am »
Sorry, I realized some may not know the acronyms:

PIMI - Physically In, Mentally In

PIMO - Physically In, Mentally Out (can't physically leave)

POMO - Physically Out, Mentally Out

POMI - Physically Out, Mentally In


PIMO's and POMI's is the worst place to be at.

The Jewish population is also on the decline.
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Re: Religion Dying in the US
« Reply #6 on: April 12, 2019, 05:47:38 pm »
That's what I am: a cafeteria catholic. Although I don't seem to go to mass anymore, so maybe I'm more along the lines of disaffected. There are many things the Church--in Rome and in the United States--needs to do before I get back. Other than that, I read the Bible on my own--mostly for shits and giggles--and interpret it the way I feel like.

I truly wonder how many are like me.

That said, I wonder if religion is really dying in the United States, why some religious elements seem to be as vocal as ever.

As far as Judaism, that's probably the after effects of the Third Reich's ethnic cleansing. I don't think they ever really recovered from that.
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Re: Religion Dying in the US
« Reply #7 on: April 12, 2019, 06:35:07 pm »
I don't have the studies in front of me, but religion isn't actually dying per se. Like all other things, it's becoming modernized, which means people are taking more individual control over their spirituality. The euphemism for Catholics is "cafeteria Catholics" because they pick and choose the parts of the doctrine that has the most meaning to them. Many of these people have personal religiosity and spirituality that they feel doesn't fit with the large organized churches, but are still very much religious in an individual way. This is difficult to capture because they will often respond "no religion," as in they're not affiliated with any particular Church, sect, or congregation, but they are indeed religious in a modernized way. Society is becoming more liberal (as in individual liberties and freedoms) and this is just another area where individuality and freedom of choice has changed social organization.

If you were raised in the West, it's on the steady decline.  It won't die, but it certainly isn't relevant like it was.  Immigrants are helping to keep it alive, they come from much more religious cultures.  But the West will beat the religion of the brains of many of their children and grandchildren.

It's nice to have a system of "moral" beliefs, and a community to feel a part of of, but not when it's based on nonsense that science keeps disproving more and more.  I hope religion continues to erode, and it's replaced by some kinds of spiritual systems of belief that rely on science too.  You can believe the world and the universe and love are beautiful things without the fire & brimstone & ghosts.
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Re: Religion Dying in the US
« Reply #8 on: April 12, 2019, 10:31:14 pm »

As far as Judaism, that's probably the after effects of the Third Reich's ethnic cleansing. I don't think they ever really recovered from that.

It's intermarriage, combined with the low birth rate for the Jewish community. 

Israel is where the Jewish community is really increasing in population.
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« Reply #9 on: April 13, 2019, 01:51:43 pm »
israel must be really, really crowded.
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« Reply #10 on: April 26, 2019, 03:55:18 pm »
israel must be really, really crowded.

There are about 6,500,000 Jews in Israel, which is about 75% of the population of the country.
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« Reply #11 on: April 26, 2019, 03:59:08 pm »
There are about 6,500,000 Jews in Israel, which is about 75% of the population of the country.

There are about 6 million in the US, and another million between Canada, UK, and France. In the rest of the world, it would be about a million total.

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« Reply #12 on: December 03, 2020, 08:56:51 am »
So is the end of religion reflected in the rise of narcissist politics ?

Ie. The good part of religion drains out and leaves the chauvinism only.  The bad part of materialism and egoism remains unchecked because the moralizing of religion is replaced by an odd moralist patriotism.

We need a codified moral sphere, or a new shared morality embodied in a group of people or a movement.

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« Reply #13 on: December 03, 2020, 10:01:54 am »
So is the end of religion reflected in the rise of narcissist politics ?

Religions are inherently narcissistic.  “I’m right, you’r wrong...  one true god...  blah, blah”.   Narcissist politics is perfect for religion.  Why would you think it isn’t?


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Ie. The good part of religion drains out and leaves the chauvinism only.  The bad part of materialism and egoism remains unchecked because the moralizing of religion is replaced by an odd moralist patriotism.

The moralizing of religion never did work...  unless you think things like gay marriage, or equal rights for women were contained within those religious morals...   Religion is dragged kicking and screaming by progressive society.

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We need a codified moral sphere, or a new shared morality embodied in a group of people or a movement.

How is it coded in religion now?  Give me an example.

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« Reply #14 on: December 03, 2020, 10:14:35 am »
1. Religions are inherently narcissistic.
2. Why would you think it isn’t?
3. The moralizing of religion never did work... 
4. unless you think things like gay marriage, or equal rights for women were contained within those religious morals...   Religion is dragged kicking and screaming by progressive society.
5. How is it coded in religion now?  Give me an example.

1. I can't disagree more.  That's a perversion of religion.  You CAN accurately say that it's a feature of religions as observed but few religions I am aware of have inherent narcissism.
2. Because religious teachings go against selfishness.  Perversions of religion promote selfishness.
3. I think it very much achieved its goals as evidenced by the success of cultures with a religious framework.
4. And yet the roots of religion thrive in progressivism.
5. The Golden Rule is the principle of treating others as you want to be treated.  Leviticus 19:18