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Offline JBG

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This past week featured two unrelated event, both relating to issues concerning urban youth, and perceived racial slights.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pKWjGIlSU9o

Kate Smith's racist lyrics cause her removal from baseball games

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Kate Smith, a famous singer who was best known for her rendition of Irving Berlin's G-d Bless America,‚€ had her statue removed by the Philadelphia Flyers after racist lyrics were found in some of her songs.***************

Some Americans are angry with the decision to remove her completely because they feel it is disrespectful to not only veterans, but all Americans. Anyone who sacrifices their life to keep this country safe should not be disrespected by anything that takes a strike at tradition and patriotism

One wonders, what are the real problems plaguing urban youth: 1) the fact that a famous singer sang other songs that would not be played today; or 2) wild brawls that detract from any semblance of education? The problem with "G-d Bless America" is that Kate Smith also sang "That's Why Darkies Were Born."

Now, keep in mind, Kate Smith did not write either one. Israel Beilin a/k/a Irving Berlin wrote "G-d Bless America." Paul Robeson, a black singer who immortalized, among other songs "Old Man River" and who fled the U.S. because of McCarthyism sang "That's Why Darkies Were Born." Maybe we need to ban all songs that Paul Robeson ever sang. That takes down "Swing Low Sweet Chariot" and Nobody Knows the Troubles I've Seen." And while we're at it, Aretha Franklin, Miriam Anderson and Mahalia Jackson would also have their songs stricken because those singers sang the now-offensive spirituals.

It goes on.
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Offline wilber

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Kind of sad but hey, almost all the WW2 vets will be gone soon and we will be free to rewrite history as we see it, without any witnesses.
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Kind of sad but hey, almost all the WW2 vets will be gone soon and we will be free to rewrite history as we see it, without any witnesses.

already in the works in Grande Prairie, Alberta: Banned by Facebook, shunned by politicians, Soldiers of Odin hold event at Royal Canadian Legion branch
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Kate Smith, a famous singer who was best known for her rendition of Irving Berlin's G-d Bless America,‚ÄĚ had her statue removed by the Philadelphia Flyers after racist lyrics were found in some of her songs

This is the sort of thing that leads to sports curses, like the Curse Of The Bambino.  I predict that the Philadelphia Flyers will not with the Stanley Cup for at least 80 years.

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The Kate Smith thing is the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard.  It is bad enough the Government is trying to erase all monuments of John A MacDonald.  We have to keep in mind that these people did little to nothing wrong, and consider they were product of their times. If we erase history, we can never learn from it.
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It is bad enough the Government is trying to erase all monuments of John A MacDonald.  We have to keep in mind that these people did little to nothing wrong, and consider they were product of their times. If we erase history, we can never learn from it.

I think we need ti keep in mind that yes they may have done something wrong, sometimes terribly wrong, but they are human, and as you say we must consider they were product of their times.

If we banned everything from anyone who ever did something wrong, they'd be not much left.  Jefferson and Washington owned slaves, MLK cheated on his wife, Gandhi was apparently a shitty father & was racist to South African blacks.  These people did great things, but were not gods.
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I think we need ti keep in mind that yes they may have done something wrong, sometimes terribly wrong, but they are human, and as you say we must consider they were product of their times.

If we banned everything from anyone who ever did something wrong, they'd be not much left.  Jefferson and Washington owned slaves, MLK cheated on his wife, Gandhi was apparently a shitty father & was racist to South African blacks.  These people did great things, but were not gods.
The Kate Smith thing is the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard.  It is bad enough the Government is trying to erase all monuments of John A MacDonald.  We have to keep in mind that these people did little to nothing wrong, and consider they were product of their times. If we erase history, we can never learn from it.
Thanks to both of you. On American boards, both liberal and conservative, they don't seem to "get it." Maybe with the attempt in Canada to erase one of Canada's "founding fathers", John A. Macdonald, people understand. Perhaps in the U.S. if there were a serious effort to rename the George Washington Bridge (running from New York City to New Jersey) people would understand just how pernicious this can be.
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The weird thing is that in its time the song was a comment on the unfair treatment of blacks and the injustice of being "born to pick cotton." People sure don't get nuance these days at all.
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The weird thing is that in its time the song was a comment on the unfair treatment of blacks and the injustice of being "born to pick cotton." People sure don't get nuance these days at all.

They donít want to.
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The weird thing is that in its time the song was a comment on the unfair treatment of blacks and the injustice of being "born to pick cotton." People sure don't get nuance these days at all.
Thanks. I actually never knew that.
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I think we need ti keep in mind that yes they may have done something wrong, sometimes terribly wrong, but they are human, and as you say we must consider they were product of their times.

If we banned everything from anyone who ever did something wrong, they'd be not much left.  Jefferson and Washington owned slaves, MLK cheated on his wife, Gandhi was apparently a shitty father & was racist to South African blacks.  These people did great things, but were not gods.

Maybe we could stop looking for perfect heroes,
And just celebrate heroics.
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Well racism is still alive and well in the good Ole US of A as three assholes from Ole Miss pose in front of a bullet riddled monument to Emmit Till holding rifles, all carried legally including one which was an AR-15. Attaboy Mississippi, get your best brain dead racists and make sure they are well armed with automatic weapons. WTF could go wrong? Too bad those weapons didn't backfire.   

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Well racism is still alive and well in the good Ole US of A as three assholes from Ole Miss pose in front of a bullet riddled monument to Emmit Till holding rifles, all carried legally including one which was an AR-15. Attaboy Mississippi, get your best brain dead racists and make sure they are well armed with automatic weapons. WTF could go wrong? Too bad those weapons didn't backfire.   

Throwing a bone to the alt-right assholes: 3 kids with guns in a single shocking incident doesn't signify much.

But racism and hate crimes are still on the rise regardless ;)

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Throwing a bone to the alt-right assholes: 3 kids with guns in a single shocking incident doesn't signify much.

But racism and hate crimes are still on the rise regardless ;)

Haven't heard Trump weigh in yet. Let's see, maybe just some more of those "very fine people" like those carrying tiki torches in Charlottesville.

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AR-15s are not automatic firing weapons.