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Offline Queefer Sutherland

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« Reply #600 on: January 11, 2021, 02:28:04 pm »
They tried that it doesn't work because the institution is fundamentally broken and corrupted.

Scrap the whole rotten structure as it currently exists and build something new in its place.

Which is totally valid, but simply defunding the law enforcement isn't going to make law enforcement better in quality it will just lower the quantity.
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« Reply #601 on: January 11, 2021, 02:30:10 pm »
Which is totally valid, but simply defunding the law enforcement isn't going to make law enforcement better in quality it will just lower the quantity.

No one is talking about taking the cops' money and toys away and calling it a day. That being said, fewer cops is probably a good thing in and of itself.

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« Reply #602 on: January 11, 2021, 02:38:34 pm »
Which doesn't make much sense because we still need people to enforce the law.  Would make more sense to have major reform of the entire policing system, including recruitment and training and oversight/accountability.

The problem is, people organizing the protests picked a slogan because of how catchy it was, rather than what they actually wanted to accomplish.

Instead of "defund the police" it should have been "Reduce police budgets, to divert resources to address problems the police are not well suited to, but keep the core of the police to deal with actual law enforcement issues". But that doesn't sound as catchy.

Personally, I would have gone with a slogan like "demilitarize the police". It covers a significant problem within policing, and won't scare off potential middle-class supporters who think "if we defund the police we won't have any cops around to prevent anarchy".

Law enforcement has fundamental problems that sit at its core.  "Defund the police" means they don't see this as fixable.  I disagree.  Police and military have a toxic culture, the training is horribly inadequate in every way minus showing officers how to arrest and not get themselves hurt, the oversight and accountability is corrupt and horribly inadequate.

Under the Trudeau gov our military has thankfully been really pushing to fix harassment (sexual and otherwise).  I don't know if at this point it's mostly lip service to just look good and avoid liability or if things are actually really changing, but at the very least it's a good start.  There needs to be zero tolerance for bad behaviour against policy, they need to be as tough on that as the se tough guys think they are on everything else.

It really just comes down to forcing people to act professionally, and giving them more skills beyond violence.
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« Reply #603 on: January 11, 2021, 02:43:30 pm »
No one is talking about taking the cops' money and toys away and calling it a day. That being said, fewer cops is probably a good thing in and of itself.

"Defund the police".

Having more cops that can actually help society instead of harm is a good thing.  Unfortunately a lot of cops are under-educated a-holes who are unaccountable.
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« Reply #604 on: January 11, 2021, 02:48:30 pm »
"Defund the police".

Having more cops that can actually help society instead of harm is a good thing. Unfortunately a lot of cops are under-educated a-holes who are unaccountable.

That's a feature of policing not a bug.

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« Reply #605 on: January 11, 2021, 02:50:17 pm »
Started a new thread here.
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« Reply #606 on: January 11, 2021, 03:09:42 pm »
"Defund the police".

Having more cops that can actually help society instead of harm is a good thing.  Unfortunately a lot of cops are under-educated a-holes who are unaccountable.

Bull. In our police force a lot of them have degrees and almost all of them have some college education. They don't hire people who don't have life experience, mid 20's is young for a new recruit, in fact under 30 is young. Higher education is one road to advancement.
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« Reply #607 on: January 11, 2021, 04:04:19 pm »
Bull. In our police force a lot of them have degrees and almost all of them have some college education. They don't hire people who don't have life experience, mid 20's is young for a new recruit, in fact under 30 is young. Higher education is one road to advancement.

I don't know much about our cops.  I know in the US you see a lot of clips on Youtube where the officers don't know the law.  You can't enforce what you don't know.
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« Reply #608 on: January 11, 2021, 04:35:03 pm »
As if things weren't scary enough in the states, there are now reports of threats groups of thugs to storm all state capitols as well as DC before the Biden inauguration. I hope for the sake of our neighbor to the south that all this is just buffoon bullshit, but I'm glad I don't live anywhere near one of those capitols. Of course trumpymc boneheadspurs is doing absolutely nothing to attempt to quell any of this.I guess what would be a fitting end of all this would be if donny took a stray bullet whilst clapping his hands in support of the rioters.

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« Reply #609 on: January 11, 2021, 05:50:55 pm »
As if things weren't scary enough in the states, there are now reports of threats groups of thugs to storm all state capitols as well as DC before the Biden inauguration. I hope for the sake of our neighbor to the south that all this is just buffoon bullshit, but I'm glad I don't live anywhere near one of those capitols. Of course trumpymc boneheadspurs is doing absolutely nothing to attempt to quell any of this.I guess what would be a fitting end of all this would be if donny took a stray bullet whilst clapping his hands in support of the rioters.

The thing is... this is what they have been pining for... posting for... the final battle.  Trouble is, the other side won't be democrats it will be cops and army
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« Reply #610 on: January 11, 2021, 05:59:40 pm »
The thing is... this is what they have been pining for... posting for... the final battle.  Trouble is, the other side won't be democrats it will be cops and army

Good. Then they can throw the stupid buggers in jail.
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« Reply #611 on: January 11, 2021, 06:22:35 pm »
I don't know much about our cops.  I know in the US you see a lot of clips on Youtube where the officers don't know the law.  You can't enforce what you don't know.

In BC if the cops don't know the law, they will never get Crown to press charges.
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« Reply #612 on: January 11, 2021, 06:46:39 pm »
The thing is... this is what they have been pining for... posting for... the final battle.  Trouble is, the other side won't be democrats it will be cops and army

That is scary.  The right has a lot of the guns.  The funny thing is the right is doing the exact thing the 2nd amendment and private militia rights are supposed to protect.

The left doesn't typically do the gun thing.  Maybe some inner city gang members will be the last defense lol.  Ice T vs the Hells Angels: the battle for Washington.  This stuff writes itself.
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« Reply #613 on: January 11, 2021, 07:03:59 pm »
That is scary.  The right has a lot of the guns.  The funny thing is the right is doing the exact thing the 2nd amendment and private militia rights are supposed to protect.
Not sure of what you were saying here...

Did you mean that the right wing (i.e. trump terrorists) are doing the thing the 2nd amendment/militias were supposed to stop?

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« Reply #614 on: January 11, 2021, 07:07:33 pm »
That is scary.  The right has a lot of the guns.  The funny thing is the right is doing the exact thing the 2nd amendment and private militia rights are supposed to protect.

The left doesn't typically do the gun thing.  Maybe some inner city gang members will be the last defense lol.  Ice T vs the Hells Angels: the battle for Washington.  This stuff writes itself.

Gun rights were never intended to commit insurrection.