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« Reply #585 on: January 11, 2021, 11:16:46 am »
What it does mean, though, is that AWS has monopolistic power.
Yes they are.

Well, except for Google Cloud services. And Microsoft Azure.

Oh, and Oracle cloud. And Alibaba cloud. And VMWare cloud. But other than Google, Microsoft, Oracle, Alibaba and VMWare, AWS is a monopoly. (Oh, and I think Dell runs a cloud service too.)

Unless of course Parler sets up a server farm themselves. Its not REALLY that difficult. (The company I work for set up VMWare instances for hosting multiple clients in the past. And we've only got 1 or 2 "technicians".)

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« Reply #586 on: January 11, 2021, 12:16:39 pm »
has anybody got something that debunks the 'stolen election' accusations one by one ?

That might be a good thing to see

I agree.

But the courts rejected his evidence, including the conservative-leaning SCOTUS.  I suppose one could bring up those court cases if they're on public record.
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« Reply #587 on: January 11, 2021, 12:20:17 pm »
Records show fervent Trump fans fuelled US Capitol takeover

Real bunch of winners here.

Wild how there are so many serving or former LEOs and military in there, I wonder if that says something about those particular institutions...

Police and military have always attracted the violence a-holes of society just given the nature of the job (using guns and power).  These types don't become social workers.
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« Reply #588 on: January 11, 2021, 12:26:57 pm »
Parler CEO John Matze: Matze conceded that the bans could put the company out of business while raising free speech issues, calling it “an assault on everybody.”

The debate on free speech on social media platforms is interesting.  Some companies feel they have an obligation to police content.  Others like Parler can make the argument that they are like internet service providers or telephone companies where they shouldn't have to moderate content and leave it up to the police authorities if someone breaks the law.
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« Reply #589 on: January 11, 2021, 12:34:48 pm »
Police and military have always attracted the violence a-holes of society just given the nature of the job (using guns and power).  These types don't become social workers.

And yet we expect them to be social workers.
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« Reply #590 on: January 11, 2021, 12:39:10 pm »
Police and military have always attracted the violence a-holes of society just given the nature of the job (using guns and power).  These types don't become social workers.

Which is the crux of the whole "defund the police" thing.
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« Reply #591 on: January 11, 2021, 01:11:15 pm »
Which is the crux of the whole "defund the police" thing.

Which doesn't make much sense because we still need people to enforce the law.  Would make more sense to have major reform of the entire policing system, including recruitment and training and oversight/accountability.
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« Reply #592 on: January 11, 2021, 01:12:48 pm »
Which doesn't make much sense because we still need people to enforce the law.  Would make more sense to have major reform of the entire policing system, including recruitment and training and oversight/accountability.

Which means you will need social workers alongside of police. Will people  be prepared to pay for that?
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« Reply #593 on: January 11, 2021, 01:23:52 pm »
Which means you will need social workers alongside of police. Will people  be prepared to pay for that?

It would be worth the money.
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« Reply #594 on: January 11, 2021, 01:30:42 pm »
Yes they are.

Well, except for Google Cloud services. And Microsoft Azure.

Oh, and Oracle cloud. And Alibaba cloud. And VMWare cloud. But other than Google, Microsoft, Oracle, Alibaba and VMWare, AWS is a monopoly. (Oh, and I think Dell runs a cloud service too.)

Unless of course Parler sets up a server farm themselves. Its not REALLY that difficult. (The company I work for set up VMWare instances for hosting multiple clients in the past. And we've only got 1 or 2 "technicians".)

Yeah, They’re not a monopoly on these services.  There are plenty.  And they could always create their own hosting....all it takes is money and expertise...  they have plenty of money, supposedly. 

None of these other services will take their business now though...   but that’s not an issue with “free speech”...  that’s an issue with what the platform is promoting and these companies not wanting to be associated with it, which is their right.

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« Reply #595 on: January 11, 2021, 01:32:52 pm »
Which doesn't make much sense because we still need people to enforce the law. Would make more sense to have major reform of the entire policing system, including recruitment and training and oversight/accountability.

They tried that it doesn't work because the institution is fundamentally broken and corrupted.

Scrap the whole rotten structure as it currently exists and build something new in its place.

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« Reply #596 on: January 11, 2021, 01:46:23 pm »
They tried that it doesn't work because the institution is fundamentally broken and corrupted.

Scrap the whole rotten structure as it currently exists and build something new in its place.

You really don't know much about Canadian police forces or what they do.
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« Reply #597 on: January 11, 2021, 01:54:43 pm »
You really don't know much about Canadian police forces or what they do.

They sure aren't solving crimes.

Probably they beat up their wives, harass the homeless and minorities and show up two hours after a call to look bored and file a report they never follow up on. You know, universal cop stuff.

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« Reply #598 on: January 11, 2021, 02:06:35 pm »
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Which is the crux of the whole "defund the police" thing.
Which doesn't make much sense because we still need people to enforce the law.  Would make more sense to have major reform of the entire policing system, including recruitment and training and oversight/accountability.
The problem is, people organizing the protests picked a slogan because of how catchy it was, rather than what they actually wanted to accomplish.

Instead of "defund the police" it should have been "Reduce police budgets, to divert resources to address problems the police are not well suited to, but keep the core of the police to deal with actual law enforcement issues". But that doesn't sound as catchy.

Personally, I would have gone with a slogan like "demilitarize the police". It covers a significant problem within policing, and won't scare off potential middle-class supporters who think "if we defund the police we won't have any cops around to prevent anarchy".
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« Reply #599 on: January 11, 2021, 02:20:55 pm »
Which doesn't make much sense because we still need people to enforce the law.  Would make more sense to have major reform of the entire policing system, including recruitment and training and oversight/accountability.

The problem is, people organizing the protests picked a slogan because of how catchy it was, rather than what they actually wanted to accomplish.

Instead of "defund the police" it should have been "Reduce police budgets, to divert resources to address problems the police are not well suited to, but keep the core of the police to deal with actual law enforcement issues". But that doesn't sound as catchy.

Personally, I would have gone with a slogan like "demilitarize the police". It covers a significant problem within policing, and won't scare off potential middle-class supporters who think "if we defund the police we won't have any cops around to prevent anarchy".

Except you can't do any of those reforms until you actually defund or abolish the police as we know it.