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Offline Queefer Sutherland

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« Reply #510 on: January 08, 2021, 05:45:05 pm »
The things the left wants: free healthcare, affordable education, an end to police brutality, human rights for marginalized communities.
Things the right wants: social and economic dominance.

This is not a "both sides" thing.

As long as you define the conflict for yourself under those simplistic black-and-white terms you will be completely unwilling to do anything but be uncompromising and demonizing towards the right.  And if there's people on the right who are the same, then we have ourselves protracted conflict now don't we?  This is the exact reason why Congress is so dysfunctional.
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« Reply #511 on: January 08, 2021, 05:51:59 pm »
As long as you define the conflict for yourself under those simplistic black-and-white terms you will be completely unwilling to do anything but be uncompromising and demonizing towards the right.  And if there's people on the right who are the same, then we have ourselves protracted conflict now don't we?  This is the exact reason why Congress is so dysfunctional.

Prove me wrong!

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« Reply #512 on: January 08, 2021, 06:18:24 pm »
Prove me wrong!

People with your line of thinking will look at people who are anti-abortion and say "they just want to uphold the patriarchy and have men controlling women's bodies".  I'm sure some do, but some on the left never consider the possibility that many on the right who are pro-life actually don't like seeing innocent lives killed.

And of course "the left" and "the right" aren't monoliths, there's all sorts of people with all sorts of varying views on things.  A sizeable portion of Republican voters are for sure  racists, but we also can't paint everyone with these kinds of broad strokes.  These black and white negative stereotypes are what cause racist thinking in the first place.
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« Reply #513 on: January 08, 2021, 06:26:17 pm »
Capital police actually opened the door for protesters, and then stood aside as everyone walked in.

https://twitter.com/christina_bobb/status/1347596278583197698?s=21
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« Reply #514 on: January 08, 2021, 06:29:24 pm »
Yes, investigations currently include some police who might have been complicit.
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« Reply #515 on: January 08, 2021, 06:33:20 pm »
People with your line of thinking will look at people who are anti-abortion and say "they just want to uphold the patriarchy and have men controlling women's bodies".  I'm sure some do, but some on the left never consider the possibility that many on the right who are pro-life actually don't like seeing innocent lives killed.

No...  we look at people’s actions....  anti-abortion has the effect of upholding patriarchy and controlling women’s bodies, regardless of what the intentions are. 

You can love babies and just want them all born, but the actions to ensure that happens have consequences.

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And of course "the left" and "the right" aren't monoliths, there's all sorts of people with all sorts of varying views on things.  A sizeable portion of Republican voters are for sure  racists, but we also can't paint everyone with these kinds of broad strokes.  These black and white negative stereotypes are what cause racist thinking in the first place.

You say that, and yet in your previous sentence you just assumed what “the left” thinks about anti-abortionists.
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« Reply #516 on: January 08, 2021, 07:01:33 pm »
No...  we look at people’s actions....  anti-abortion has the effect of upholding patriarchy and controlling women’s bodies, regardless of what the intentions are. 

You can love babies and just want them all born, but the actions to ensure that happens have consequences.
Yes, let's look at people's actions.  Abortions also cause the death of a human being, regardless of what the intentions are.  Abortions are needed usually because people have sex without properly considering and accepting the risks of having sex, especially when done without using the proper precautions.  And people often try to dehumanize the baby to make it easier for themselves to legitimize killing it by insisting life doesn't begin until some arbitrary point, or by only referring to it as a "fetus" or "just a bundle of cells".

Also, who is "we".  Are you a part of some monolithic team i'm not aware of?

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You say that, and yet in your previous sentence you just assumed what “the left” thinks about anti-abortionists.

That's a mischaracterization of what I said made in bad faith.  I said "some on the left".
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« Reply #517 on: January 08, 2021, 07:11:38 pm »
People with your line of thinking will look at people who are anti-abortion and say "they just want to uphold the patriarchy and have men controlling women's bodies".  I'm sure some do, but some on the left never consider the possibility that many on the right who are pro-life actually don't like seeing innocent lives killed.

I’ve considered the possibility and concluded people who think a clump of cells is worth more than a full grown human are dumb, regardless of how earnest they are about “protecting life.” Also those same people tend to also vote for parties that do not give a **** about people’s lives so double **** them.

The idea that we’re dealing with strawmen or caricatures is preposterous. It’s easier than ever before to encounter viewpoints you don’t agree with: indeed that exposure to different ideas is EXACTLY WHY I don’t agree with them.
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Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
« Reply #518 on: January 08, 2021, 07:13:07 pm »
Yes, let's look at people's actions.  Abortions also cause the death of a human being, regardless of what the intentions are.  Abortions are needed usually because people have sex without properly considering and accepting the risks of having sex, especially when done without using the proper precautions.  And people often try to dehumanize the baby to make it easier for themselves to legitimize killing it by insisting life doesn't begin until some arbitrary point, or by only referring to it as a "fetus" or "just a bundle of cells".

Also, who is "we".  Are you a part of some monolithic team i'm not aware of?

That's a mischaracterization of what I said made in bad faith.  I said "some on the left".

Literally what they are but go off.

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« Reply #519 on: January 08, 2021, 07:16:47 pm »
Yes, let's look at people's actions.  Abortions also cause the death of a human being, regardless of what the intentions are.  Abortions are needed usually because people have sex without properly considering and accepting the risks of having sex, especially when done without using the proper precautions.  And people often try to dehumanize the baby to make it easier for themselves to legitimize killing it by insisting life doesn't begin until some arbitrary point, or by only referring to it as a "fetus" or "just a bundle of cells".

Also, who is "we".  Are you a part of some monolithic team i'm not aware of?

That's a mischaracterization of what I said made in bad faith.  I said "some on the left".
Great point.  I find that the pro-abortion side is used to arguing with people of religious backgrounds, so when you present science to them, they have no idea what to do.  I always laugh at the stupidity of the “lump of cells” argument.  We’re all a lump of cells.  Even in old age.  But it doesn’t discount the evolution of medical science, and the 3D ultrasound.  I think heartbeat laws are the wave of the future.  If you want to terminate your pregnancy, do so earlier instead of later.
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Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
« Reply #520 on: January 08, 2021, 07:20:16 pm »
Great point.  I find that the pro-abortion side is used to arguing with people of religious backgrounds, so when you present science to them, they have no idea what to do.  I always laugh at the stupidity of the “lump of cells” argument.  We’re all a lump of cells.  Even in old age.  But it doesn’t discount the evolution of medical science, and the 3D ultrasound.  I think heartbeat laws are the wave of the future.  If you want to terminate your pregnancy, do so earlier instead of later.

Interesting to see this argument made from the who-cares-if-geriatrics-die-let-the-economy-roll cheerleader.
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« Reply #521 on: January 08, 2021, 07:20:49 pm »
Yes, let's look at people's actions.  Abortions also cause the death of a human being,

Do you think someone should be forced to give up a kidney for a child if that child might die without it?

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Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
« Reply #522 on: January 08, 2021, 07:24:50 pm »
Capital police actually opened the door for protesters, and then stood aside as everyone walked in.

https://twitter.com/christina_bobb/status/1347596278583197698?s=21

One cop says "I disagree with it, but I respect [cuts out]".   Respect what exactly?  People's right for mobs to the Capital Building???
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« Reply #523 on: January 08, 2021, 07:25:40 pm »
Interesting to see this argument made from the who-cares-if-geriatrics-die-let-the-economy-roll cheerleader.
That certainly isn’t my view.  Are you always this disingenuous?
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« Reply #524 on: January 08, 2021, 07:30:05 pm »
One cop says "I disagree with it, but I respect [cuts out]".   Respect what exactly?  People's right for mobs to the Capital Building???
Yes, I don’t understand what was going on there.  I don’t get it.  All of that could’ve been avoided if they just kept the doors closed.
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