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« Reply #495 on: January 08, 2021, 01:28:22 pm »
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So in addition to the Q lady who got domed by Capitol Police for trying to crawl through a window she shouldn't have, the death toll also include a guy who tasered himself by accident and died of as heart attack and a woman carrying a Gadsden Flag who was trampled to death on the steps and i'm sorry but this is hilarious stuff
Seriously? I know people died but that is straight out of Monty Python. You sure you didn't make it up?
From: https://www.rawstory.com/rosanne-boyland-capitol/
A woman who was reportedly trampled to death during a riot inside the U.S. Capitol was reportedly obsessed with the QAnon conspiracy theory, according to her friends and family. A photo shows that she carried a Gadsden "don't tread on me" flag at a protest before the violent siege.

From: https://www.citynews1130.com/2021/01/07/white-privilege-capitol-hill-violence/
By Thursday morning it was known four people died; one was shot by police and the other three suffered medical emergencies. One man died after he apparently struck himself with a taser.

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« Reply #496 on: January 08, 2021, 01:29:39 pm »
Given the nature of the question, I expect there's a fair amount of overlap there so you can't just add the two together. (For example, someone could say that Trump was a great deal to blame and congressional Republicans were somewhat to blame, but that's still one person.) So we're looking at probably around a quarter of Republican voters who would be against the shenanigans this week and of those, how many would actually be reachable to switch? 5%, tops?

To reach that 5%, you need to appease their desires for what...?  No healthcare?  No mask mandates?  Not sure what they even stand for.

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« Reply #497 on: January 08, 2021, 01:44:38 pm »
Seriously? I know people died but that is straight out of Monty Python. You sure you didn't make it up?

From: https://www.rawstory.com/rosanne-boyland-capitol/
A woman who was reportedly trampled to death during a riot inside the U.S. Capitol was reportedly obsessed with the QAnon conspiracy theory, according to her friends and family. A photo shows that she carried a Gadsden "don't tread on me" flag at a protest before the violent siege.

From: https://www.citynews1130.com/2021/01/07/white-privilege-capitol-hill-violence/
By Thursday morning it was known four people died; one was shot by police and the other three suffered medical emergencies. One man died after he apparently struck himself with a taser.

*takes off hat, places hand over heart* lmao

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« Reply #498 on: January 08, 2021, 01:50:05 pm »
The left is the only faction genuinely interested in improving the material existence of people. the centre is happy with the status quo and the far right only wants to maintain white supremacy.

That's not accurate, it's extremely generalizing.  I agree that there's a lot of elements on the right where white supremacy runs through it.

But overall the left and right simply have different philosophies on how to improve the material existence of people, and these philosophies are directly opposites.  The left is more nurturing and uses a lot of government intervention to achieve their aims, while the right believes more in personal responsibility rather than what they see as "coddling" ("nanny state").  I think both philosophies have necessary validity in them, which is why I'm somewhere around the center on a lot of things, though sometimes left and sometimes right also.

The nature of the left is that they are very compassionate, though can sometimes be too accommodating, and the nature of the right is that they can preach a lot "touch love", though can sometimes be too cruel.  The right tends to attract most of the cruel unsympathetic a-holes by its very nature, which includes racists etc, and that's when the right goes too far.  The further you move from the center, the more naivety you get on the left and the more a-hole you get on the right.  The Democrats have typically been more center or center-right, which is why they've been a much better party than the GOP who are further from the center obviously and more ideological.  We've seen the left go further left in recent years and become more ideological, and this imbalance hasn't always been good for society with divisive SJW stuff etc.
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« Reply #499 on: January 08, 2021, 01:52:22 pm »
You can see how much Trump just cares about himself far more than his country given he needs to resign but never will.
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« Reply #500 on: January 08, 2021, 02:12:19 pm »
The stupid f*ck doesn’t even know what free speech is.... 

 hint:  It’s not a violation of your free speech for a business to choose not to do business with you for this reason.

I’m sure this confused Shady even more about what rights are....
He's been confused for a long time.  He thinks doing away with in-camera lobbying is an attack on free speech. Stupid **** probably imagines it has something to do with cameras.

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« Reply #501 on: January 08, 2021, 02:14:26 pm »
That's not accurate, it's extremely generalizing.  I agree that there's a lot of elements on the right where white supremacy runs through it.

But overall the left and right simply have different philosophies on how to improve the material existence of people, and these philosophies are directly opposites.  The left is more nurturing and uses a lot of government intervention to achieve their aims, while the right believes more in personal responsibility rather than what they see as "coddling" ("nanny state").  I think both philosophies have necessary validity in them, which is why I'm somewhere around the center on a lot of things, though sometimes left and sometimes right also.

Except the right that believes in the traditional tenets of conservative thought is basically non existent as a political or intellectual force. It's either power grasping slimeballs like Mitch McConnell, grifters like Trump or deranged racist conspiracy freaks. The Dems are

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The nature of the left is that they are very compassionate, though can sometimes be too accommodating, and the nature of the right is that they can preach a lot "touch love", though can sometimes be too cruel.  The right tends to attract most of the cruel unsympathetic a-holes by its very nature, which includes racists etc, and that's when the right goes too far.  The further you move from the center, the more naivety you get on the left and the more a-hole you get on the right.  The Democrats have typically been more center or center-right, which is why they've been a much better party than the GOP who are further from the center obviously and more ideological.  We've seen the left go further left in recent years and become more ideological, and this imbalance hasn't always been good for society with divisive SJW stuff etc.

The problem I have with centrists is that too many seem to see moderation as en end to itself and so they end up standing for absolutely nothing. As for the left went too far left, as someone who has been in left circles for decades, I don't buy that at all. What's changed is the extent to which niche cultural issue shave been seized on by the right as evidence of the left going too far because the right is obsessed with a culture war they've already lost and have abandoned everything else.
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« Reply #502 on: January 08, 2021, 02:35:46 pm »
Could be an interesting 12 days coming up as trump says he won't resign as attempts to either impeach or invoke the 25th to give him his comeuppance gather speed.
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« Reply #503 on: January 08, 2021, 02:45:21 pm »
Could be an interesting 12 days coming up as trump says he won't resign as attempts to either impeach or invoke the 25th to give him his comeuppance gather speed.

Neither of those things will happen. Congress has recessed until after the inauguration. No one wants to take the lead, they just want to blah blah blah and run out the clock.
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« Reply #504 on: January 08, 2021, 02:49:57 pm »


I wonder if user Shady can tell us how many Kavanaugh hearing protesters showed up equipped with handguns and zip tie handcuffs.
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« Reply #505 on: January 08, 2021, 03:08:25 pm »
Except the right that believes in the traditional tenets of conservative thought is basically non existent as a political or intellectual force. It's either power grasping slimeballs like Mitch McConnell, grifters like Trump or deranged racist conspiracy freaks. The Dems are
I don't think it's non-existent, I think it's been recently overshadowed by the loudest people who make a lot of noise and headlines.  A mild-mannered Mitt Romney doesn't make the headlines like a Ted Cruz does, because Cruz is an arse, and the followers of a Trump are more passionate than people who like someone like Romney, because Trump is further to the right and wants a lot more change in this culture war.

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The problem I have with centrists is that too many seem to see moderation as en end to itself and so they end up standing for absolutely nothing. As for the left went too far left, as someone who has been in left circles for decades, I don't buy that at all. What's changed is the extent to which niche cultural issue shave been seized on by the right as evidence of the left going too far because the right is obsessed with a culture war they've already lost and have abandoned everything else.

Nobody can deny that the left has swung more to the left in the last 5 years or so, while the right has polarized more to the right.  The right isn't the only one obsessed with a culture war.  You need at least 2 opposing sides in any war.  The left is struggling for one thing while the right is struggling for the opposite, and they both see themselves as victims fighting for their rights.

This all comes from demographic change of race and culture in the West and America.  The white babyboomers are dying off and their children aren't having as many kids, while more immigration from non-white countries fill that population gap.  There's more ethnic minorities in our society than ever before, and they're fighting for their space, while rightwing white people are fighting to maintain the space they've had since the beginning of their respective countries.  Conflict of some kind was inevitable.  You can't add millions of ie: Muslims to the UK or France and not expect conflict.  We just have to hope that things sort themselves out eventually, and this doesn't turn into something we never get rid of like Sunni vs Shia or Quebec vs Canada.

One of the problems with the left is they can be naive and overly idealistic.  They preach multiculturalism and assume everyone can get along, but reality is usually a lot messier because groups inevitably struggle for power and dominance.  (I'm not saying multiculturalism is bad, I'm just saying it's messy).
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« Reply #506 on: January 08, 2021, 03:26:56 pm »
I don't think it's non-existent, I think it's been recently overshadowed by the loudest people who make a lot of noise and headlines.  A mild-mannered Mitt Romney doesn't make the headlines like a Ted Cruz does, because Cruz is an arse, and the followers of a Trump are more passionate than people who like someone like Romney, because Trump is further to the right and wants a lot more change in this culture war.

Maybe not "non-existent" but definitely powerless and without influence. No one on the right gives a **** about Mitt Romney and many think he's a traitor and a cuck.

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Nobody can deny that the left has swung more to the left in the last 5 years or so, while the right has polarized more to the right.  The right isn't the only one obsessed with a culture war.  You need at least 2 opposing sides in any war. 

I can and do.

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The left is struggling for one thing while the right is struggling for the opposite, and they both see themselves as victims fighting for their rights.

The things the left wants: free healthcare, affordable education, an end to police brutality, human rights for marginalized communities.
Things the right wants: social and economic dominance.

This is not a "both sides" thing.

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« Reply #507 on: January 08, 2021, 03:34:57 pm »


I wonder if user Shady can tell us how many Kavanaugh hearing protesters showed up equipped with handguns and zip tie handcuffs.
So storming the capital is ok as long as you don't have zip ties?  You're a clown.  I don't know how many Kavanaugh stormers had hand guns or zip ties.  The media didn't seem to care.  Regardless, the Kavanaugh stormers are the same people that rioted and looted and destroyed cities for several months during the summer.  But they're very fine people right! LOL
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« Reply #508 on: January 08, 2021, 03:43:31 pm »
So storming the capital is ok as long as you don't have zip ties?  You're a clown. 

An armed mob storming the Capitol to try and overturn a democratic election and possibly kidnap members of the government is not the same thing as a group of loud and rowdy protesters heckling a confirmation hearing, you rube, you utter moron.

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I don't know how many Kavanaugh stormers had hand guns or zip ties.  The media didn't seem to care.

LMAO

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Regardless, the Kavanaugh stormers are the same people that rioted and looted and destroyed cities for several months during the summer.  But they're very fine people right! LOL

Are they tho? I doubt that very much.

Meanwhile more dummies from your side are getting arrested. One guy had a rifle, 11 Molotov cocktails and a pipebomb. Both sides that one you dumb b*tch.

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« Reply #509 on: January 08, 2021, 03:52:06 pm »
So storming the capital is ok as long as you don't have zip ties?  You're a clown.  I don't know how many Kavanaugh stormers had hand guns or zip ties.  The media didn't seem to care.  Regardless, the Kavanaugh stormers are the same people that rioted and looted and destroyed cities for several months during the summer.  But they're very fine people right! LOL

Good gawd shady, you are so gullible. But here is some reading for you (with pics if you find reading difficult) to give you some idea of who the retards are who stormed the capitol yesterday. You will probably especially like the image of Richard Barnett sitting at Pelosis's desk. He demonstrated just what a retard he also is when interviewed. Hope he enjoys his time in jail. He'll be with his type of people.

https://www.bbc.com/news/55572805