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Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
« Reply #390 on: January 07, 2021, 01:14:29 pm »
Not even 50% of Democrats believe that.

Well, they're wrong.

When I look around the internet I see absolutely zero shock and outrage from rank and file MAGA types. Instead, i see a lot of conspiracy theories that the Capitol invaders were antifa in disguise. I have no reason to believe these are not representative viewpoints.

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« Reply #391 on: January 07, 2021, 01:17:54 pm »
Well at least you added the "particular brand of populism".  I agree that any policies based on mass lies are garbage.

Well, you said "Trump's populist policies" earlier, and i'd like to point out that he doesn't have any.

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What we don't need are people yelling "Trumpism!  Trumpism!" any time somebody wants to be tougher on China or questions free trade deals or questions immigration policy.  That will just end us up in the same place as we are now...a place where the only person with the political balls to talk about these kinds of issues is a narcissistic nutjob autocrat.

How they talk about it is kind of important.




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« Reply #392 on: January 07, 2021, 01:18:09 pm »
Well, they're wrong.

When I look around the internet I see absolutely zero shock and outrage from rank and file MAGA types. Instead, i see a lot of conspiracy theories that the Capitol invaders were antifa in disguise. I have no reason to believe these are not representative viewpoints.

Another popular one seems to be the same utter stupid horseshit Shady is spouting.

“What about the BLM riots”?

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« Reply #393 on: January 07, 2021, 01:22:15 pm »
Another popular one seems to be the same utter stupid horseshit Shady is spouting.

“What about the BLM riots”?

Yup. I have no idea where people are getting this idea that Trump supporters are turned off by this stuff.
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« Reply #394 on: January 07, 2021, 01:29:55 pm »
So now you're blaming "conservatism" for this?  Lol. This isn't the result of Trump's rightwing populist policies. This is the result of Trump spreading mass lies to undermine an election result because his ego can't admit defeat, and the morons who believe his lies without evidence.  He's a giant dirtbag of the highest degree.
Since at least the 90's conservatives of the Republican bent have been no more inclined to compromise with progressives than Trump is inclined to admit defeat.
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« Reply #395 on: January 07, 2021, 01:32:12 pm »
Of course they are. Do you honestly think the 70+ million who voted for Trump were OK with this?
I think its realistic to believe some 28 million are perfectly OK with this. Apparently there were protests in front of legislatures against Biden and Harris' election certification all across America yesterday.

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« Reply #396 on: January 07, 2021, 01:35:07 pm »
Really?  So rightwing populism has to include mass lies to undermine an election?  You have to be a disgusting liar to support populism?
It needs to lie to undermine progress. Otherwise you're a disgusting traitor not to do so.

These **** idiots actually cast Democrats as communists. /facepalm

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« Reply #397 on: January 07, 2021, 01:36:57 pm »
Well, they're wrong.

When I look around the internet I see absolutely zero shock and outrage from rank and file MAGA types. Instead, i see a lot of conspiracy theories that the Capitol invaders were antifa in disguise. I have no reason to believe these are not representative viewpoints.


You said conservatism. There aren't 70 million MAGA types.  Most people vote for who they see as the least worst candidate. For millions that was Trump, for whatever reasons that I don't pretend to understand. That doesn't mean they were OK with the Capital being stormed if he lost.
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Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
« Reply #398 on: January 07, 2021, 01:43:24 pm »

You said conservatism. There aren't 70 million MAGA types. Most people vote for who they see as the least worst candidate. For millions that was Trump, for whatever reasons that I don't pretend to understand. That doesn't mean they were OK with the Capital being stormed if he lost.

How large a part of Trump's constituency are the sober conservatives who oppose Trump's style, but vote for him nonetheless? They certainly don't seem to be a particularly influential bloc of voters so why do we care if they get tarred with the same brush as the MAGAts? I can't think of a group anyone should care less about.


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Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
« Reply #399 on: January 07, 2021, 02:32:27 pm »
Lot's of talk today as to either invoking the 25th or, failing that, impeachment. whatever it takes to get the orange faced **** out of any power. I bet it's noisy around the WH today again. Heads will likely roll at the capitol police force as well after they failed to handle donny's rioters. What a shyte show!
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Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
« Reply #400 on: January 07, 2021, 02:44:15 pm »
How large a part of Trump's constituency are the sober conservatives who oppose Trump's style, but vote for him nonetheless? They certainly don't seem to be a particularly influential bloc of voters so why do we care if they get tarred with the same brush as the MAGAts? I can't think of a group anyone should care less about.

Because that is how we got here. Laziness. It is much easier to label everyone you don’t agree with than actually listen. Why do you think our society has become so polarized? 

I’m hoping this will be a positive thing, like people will step back and say we just can’t do this anymore. We have to change how we treat each other. Everyone who doesn’t agree with me isn’t a moron.
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« Reply #401 on: January 07, 2021, 02:49:04 pm »
Because that is how we got here. Laziness. It is much easier to label everyone you don’t agree with than actually listen. Why do you think our society has become so polarized? 

I’m hoping this will be a positive thing, like people will step back and say we just can’t do this anymore. We have to change how we treat each other. Everyone who doesn’t agree with me isn’t a moron.

If someone chose to vote for Trump, then this is exactly what they voted for and don’t deserve to be allowed to say “well, I don’t like Trump...  I just don’t want to vote for a Commie” or whatever other bullshit excuse people use. 

It’s not polarized due to people wanting Medicare for all...   no one “on the other side” thought that the BLM people should be rioting and looting. 

You’re saying “there’s good people on both sides”.  There’s not.  This stuff came from one side and one side only. 
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Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
« Reply #402 on: January 07, 2021, 02:57:32 pm »
Well, they're wrong.

When I look around the internet I see absolutely zero shock and outrage from rank and file MAGA types. Instead, i see a lot of conspiracy theories that the Capitol invaders were antifa in disguise. I have no reason to believe these are not representative viewpoints.

There's a difference between somebody who voted for Trump and somebody who is a MAGA true believer.
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« Reply #403 on: January 07, 2021, 02:58:59 pm »
Well, you said "Trump's populist policies" earlier, and i'd like to point out that he doesn't have any.

How so?
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Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
« Reply #404 on: January 07, 2021, 02:59:13 pm »
Because that is how we got here. Laziness. It is much easier to label everyone you don’t agree with than actually listen. Why do you think our society has become so polarized? 

Listen to who, exactly? The lazy or stupid people who didn't agree with Trump but voted for him anyway and did nothing to prevent the inmates from taking over the asylum? What could they possibly have to tell us that anyone would care to hear? Or the never Trumpers whose depredations during the Bush and Obama years helped create the ideal conditions for a demagogue and whose biggest beef with the guy is how he has ripped the curtain away to show what the Republican party is actually all about?

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I’m hoping this will be a positive thing, like people will step back and say we just can’t do this anymore. We have to change how we treat each other. Everyone who doesn’t agree with me isn’t a moron.

When one political party and an overwhelming portion of its supporters have decided to take a permanent vacation from reality, what the hell are the rest of us supposed to do? When mainstream media figureheads spend more time fretting about kids on college campuses using funny pronouns and protesting speakers than incipient fascism, who are we supposed to listen to?