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Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
« Reply #255 on: January 06, 2021, 10:34:05 am »
Can't wait to see the Dems use this hammerlock on the government to do absolutely **** bugger all.
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« Reply #256 on: January 06, 2021, 10:53:35 am »
So how long before the cries of fraud and the lawsuits begin?

Trump has already begun that. Just look up his tweets from this am and it's all phony ballets etc., etc.

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« Reply #257 on: January 06, 2021, 11:00:09 am »
Interested to see if the GOP blames Trump for losing the senate and if it will make them rethink their commitment to racism and fraud just kidding we know they're going to just lean into it more.

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« Reply #258 on: January 06, 2021, 11:04:23 am »
Interested to see if the GOP blames Trump for losing the senate and if it will make them rethink their commitment to racism and fraud just kidding we know they're going to just lean into it more.

That's why this is popcorn time.

Today, Trump is forcing the GOP to pledge fealty to him. Anyone who doesn't will face the wrath of MAGA.

I can see a third party sprouting from this.

Honestly how many of the people that voted for Trump did so just because he's on a certain team. And how many did just because he's Trump, there's a stark divide.
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Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
« Reply #260 on: January 06, 2021, 11:46:56 am »
That's why this is popcorn time.

Today, Trump is forcing the GOP to pledge fealty to him. Anyone who doesn't will face the wrath of MAGA.

I can see a third party sprouting from this.

Honestly how many of the people that voted for Trump did so just because he's on a certain team. And how many did just because he's Trump, there's a stark divide.

I don't see a third party situation developing because the system is geared to operate with two parties. What we'll probably see is the GOP simply completely give itself to Trumpism moreso than it already has. It probably won't work because none of the ghouls like Hawley or Cruz or that weird giraffe looking ass freak have Trump's juice but they have no other path forward. In practical terms this means they will attempt to restrict the franchise as much as possible and continue to engage in conspiratorial fear-mongering to energize their tiny base.
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« Reply #261 on: January 06, 2021, 11:58:35 am »
I don't see a third party situation developing because the system is geared to operate with two parties. What we'll probably see is the GOP simply completely give itself to Trumpism moreso than it already has. It probably won't work because none of the ghouls like Hawley or Cruz or that weird giraffe looking ass freak have Trump's juice but they have no other path forward. In practical terms this means they will attempt to restrict the franchise as much as possible and continue to engage in conspiratorial fear-mongering to energize their tiny base.

That's a possibility.

Then the Centre of the GOP moves to the Democrats. That's bad news for the "Squad" as the DNC will be overtaken by former Republicans that just hate Trump.

As a "Conservative" I really enjoy following the Lincoln Project. A group of former Republicans who don't want to be associated with the Party of Trump. They're quite effective. Some have even become Democrats.

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« Reply #262 on: January 06, 2021, 12:06:55 pm »
That's a possibility.

Then the Centre of the GOP moves to the Democrats. That's bad news for the "Squad" as the DNC will be overtaken by former Republicans that just hate Trump.


I mean, that's basically the DNC now. And if they continue to lurch rightward and alienate their natural core constituencies, they will simply continue to keep the insane GOP competitive.

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As a "Conservative" I really enjoy following the Lincoln Project. A group of former Republicans who don't want to be associated with the Party of Trump. They're quite effective. Some have even become Democrats.

Counterpoint: they are useless grifters who did nothing but suck money away from actual Democrats. The Lincoln Project raised $67 million. 93% of Republicans voted for Trump in 2020, up from 90% in 2016.
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« Reply #263 on: January 06, 2021, 12:26:00 pm »
93% of Republicans voted for Trump in 2020, up from 90% in 2016.

I would suggest that the overwhelming support Trump receives from his party is because people who don't support Trump leave the party.

We see what happens when Trump isn't given unwavering support.

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« Reply #264 on: January 06, 2021, 12:50:33 pm »
I mean, that's basically the DNC now. And if they continue to lurch rightward and alienate their natural core constituencies, they will simply continue to keep the insane GOP competitive.

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As a "Conservative" I really enjoy following the Lincoln Project. A group of former Republicans who don't want to be associated with the Party of Trump. They're quite effective. Some have even become Democrats.
Counterpoint: they are useless grifters who did nothing but suck money away from actual Democrats. The Lincoln Project raised $67 million. 93% of Republicans voted for Trump in 2020, up from 90% in 2016.
First of all, as another poster pointed out, the increase in Republican support for Trump probably has as much to do with people leaving the republican party as it does people liking Trump more.

Secondly, even if republican voters were only one bloc... any advertising campaign has to worry about independent voters, as well as Democrats (who may  not vote Trump, but may need some encouragement to go to the polls.)

Now, were their ads effective? It is hard to say. Negative ads can work (Willy Horton says hi!), and it seems like the ones put out by the Lincoln project were more memorable than the Democratic ones. But since there were so many things going on in the 2020 election (Covid, impeachment, fake Hunter Biden scandal) that it is hard to say whether the Lincoln project ads affected the end result at all. But that doesn't necessarily mean that it was wrong for them to try.

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Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
« Reply #265 on: January 06, 2021, 01:01:11 pm »
I would suggest that the overwhelming support Trump receives from his party is because people who don't support Trump leave the party.

We see what happens when Trump isn't given unwavering support.

I haven't seen any evidence that there was a formal exodus of Republican never Trumpers from the party itself.  They may have voted for the other guy for POTUS but as far as party allegiance goes, they're still GOP.

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Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
« Reply #266 on: January 06, 2021, 01:05:53 pm »
First of all, as another poster pointed out, the increase in Republican support for Trump probably has as much to do with people leaving the republican party as it does people liking Trump more.

Secondly, even if republican voters were only one bloc... any advertising campaign has to worry about independent voters, as well as Democrats (who may  not vote Trump, but may need some encouragement to go to the polls.)

Now, were their ads effective? It is hard to say. Negative ads can work (Willy Horton says hi!), and it seems like the ones put out by the Lincoln project were more memorable than the Democratic ones. But since there were so many things going on in the 2020 election (Covid, impeachment, fake Hunter Biden scandal) that it is hard to say whether the Lincoln project ads affected the end result at all. But that doesn't necessarily mean that it was wrong for them to try.

I simply think the money shovelled to these unrepentant right-wing ghouls would have been better spent elsewhere such as on downballot races where the Democrats grossly underperformed. More Democrats than Republicans who voted in the presidential contest failed to vote for their party’s candidate in the House races.


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Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
« Reply #267 on: January 06, 2021, 01:40:53 pm »
Trump supporters have breached the Capitol building. Doors to Senate and House have been locked.
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Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
« Reply #268 on: January 06, 2021, 01:54:26 pm »
So much for that Peaceful Transition of Power.
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Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
« Reply #269 on: January 06, 2021, 01:59:47 pm »
Trump supporters have breached the Capitol building. Doors to Senate and House have been locked.

Weird how there were no tanks or heavily armed riot cops standing by for this, must have been busy at a small BLM protest somewhere.