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« Reply #195 on: January 04, 2021, 10:04:46 am »
Yeah but I think any and all political norms have been demolished in the United States.

Hyperpartisanship, dirty tricks, rank hypocrisy, a racist con-artist for president, and republicans in congress who enabled the worst of Trump's excesses are what the Republicans are all about. (And while the Democrats may not be perfect, their faults pale in comparison to the republicans.)

Whatever 'precedents' Biden might set, they will be ignored by the republicans if they think it gives them an political advantage. Remember, they are the party that were eager to impeach Clinton over a stained dress (technically a slightly different crime, but the thought is the same) yet thought it was wrong to impeach Trump over trying to blackmail a foreign country to interfere in the election.

Yeah only the Dems have to abide by norms and precedent. That's part of the whole controlled opposition bit.

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« Reply #196 on: January 04, 2021, 10:21:30 am »
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He would simply resign and Pence would then pardon him.
How? You can't pardon someone who hasn't been convicted of a federal crime.
Actually you can. In fact you don't even have to list specific crimes... you can just issue a 'blanket pardon' for any and all crimes a person (or persons) may have committed.

Remember, Ford pardoned Nixon, even though there were no criminal charges immediately pending. And Jimmy Carter pardoned all Vietnam war Draft dodgers, even though many of them were out of the country and/or not in jail or even indicted.

From: https://www.factcheck.org/2008/06/blanket-pardons/
Q: Can a president issue a blanket pardon to an individual for crimes that may have been committed in the past but have not yet been discovered?
A: Yes. That’s just what Gerald Ford did when he granted “a full, free, and absolute pardon” to Richard Nixon for crimes he “has committed or may have committed” while in office.

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Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
« Reply #197 on: January 04, 2021, 10:42:11 am »
How? You can't pardon someone who hasn't been convicted of a federal crime.

Yes, they can. Nixon hadn’t been convicted yet.

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« Reply #198 on: January 04, 2021, 11:39:32 am »
Trump pardoned Flynn for "any and all possible offences". Yes, they are that blatant about their criminality.
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« Reply #199 on: January 04, 2021, 12:24:24 pm »
How? You can't pardon someone who hasn't been convicted of a federal crime.

Actually you can. In fact you don't even have to list specific crimes... you can just issue a 'blanket pardon' for any and all crimes a person (or persons) may have committed.

Remember, Ford pardoned Nixon, even though there were no criminal charges immediately pending. And Jimmy Carter pardoned all Vietnam war Draft dodgers, even though many of them were out of the country and/or not in jail or even indicted.

From: https://www.factcheck.org/2008/06/blanket-pardons/
Q: Can a president issue a blanket pardon to an individual for crimes that may have been committed in the past but have not yet been discovered?
A: Yes. That’s just what Gerald Ford did when he granted “a full, free, and absolute pardon” to Richard Nixon for crimes he “has committed or may have committed” while in office.


I stand corrected.
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« Reply #200 on: January 05, 2021, 09:55:36 am »
Hey, Shady:  after reading the transcript of the Trump call to Georgia, are you starting to understand why the problem with Trump goes far beyond him having "a bad personality"?

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« Reply #201 on: January 05, 2021, 10:50:30 am »
Hey, Shady:  after reading the transcript of the Trump call to Georgia, are you starting to understand why the problem with Trump goes far beyond him having "a bad personality"?

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No, it’s actually the complete opposite.  If you listen to the whole call, it’s much ado about nothing.  Under Georgia law, if there is an amount of illegal votes greater than the total you’re losing by, you may seek a re-do of the election.  Trump lists the various amounts of possible illegal votes, including thousands of votes by mail from PO Boxes, which is illegal.  I think the total they list is over 100,000 possible illegal votes.  He says he just needs 11,000.  Confirmation bias is a terrible thing.  Trump derangement syndrome is a terrible thing.  Listen to the WHOLE call, not just the clip CNN wants you to hear.  Rest assured my Trump deranged concern trolls.  If there are in fact no illegal votes, than Joe Dementia Biden will be sworn in January 16th. 😂
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« Reply #202 on: January 05, 2021, 10:58:38 am »
No, it’s actually the  complete opposite.  If you listen to the whole call, it’s much ado about nothing.  Under Georgia law, if there is an amount of illegal votes greater than the total you’re losing by, you may seek a re-do of the election.  Trump lists the various amounts of possible illegal votes, including thousands of votes by mail from PO Boxes, which is illegal.  I think the total they list is over 100,000 possible illegal votes.  He says he just needs 11,000.  Confirmation bias is a terrible thing.  Trump derangement syndrome is a terrible thing.  Listen to the WHOLE call, not just the clip CNN wants you to hear.  Rest assured my Trump deranged concern trolls.  If there are in fact no illegal votes, than Joe Dementia Biden will be sworn in January 16th. 😂

Shady, there have been three recounts including hand counts. Trump has provided no evidence of anything other than his own desire to overturn the result anyway possible, even illegally.  What you are displaying is Trump Dementia Syndrome.
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« Reply #203 on: January 05, 2021, 11:22:41 am »
Shady, there have been three recounts including hand counts. Trump has provided no evidence of anything other than his own desire to overturn the result anyway possible, even illegally.  What you are displaying is Trump Dementia Syndrome.
Yes, that’s why I assume there can’t be that many P.O. Box mail in votes.  That’s why the concern trolls can rest easy, Joe Dementia Biden will be sworn in on January 16th.  This is much ado about nothing.
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« Reply #204 on: January 05, 2021, 11:31:02 am »
Yes, that’s why I assume there can’t be that many P.O. Box mail in votes.  That’s why the concern trolls can rest easy, Joe Dementia Biden will be sworn in on January 16th.  This is much ado about nothing.

Actually inauguration day is Jan. 20 but it seems you are not terribly aware of a number of things including law. For instance saying that it's OK for trumpty dumpty to threaten the sec. of state if he can't "find" 11,000 plus votes is a glaring example. Donny could go to jail for various things that occured on that phone call.

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« Reply #205 on: January 05, 2021, 12:01:59 pm »
Actually inauguration day is Jan. 20 but it seems you are not terribly aware of a number of things including law. For instance saying that it's OK for trumpty dumpty to threaten the sec. of state if he can't "find" 11,000 plus votes is a glaring example. Donny could go to jail for various things that occured on that phone call.
Complete nonsense.  You probably haven’t actually heard the whole call.  But you’re right, I mean January 20th.
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« Reply #206 on: January 05, 2021, 12:23:34 pm »
Yes, that’s why I assume there can’t be that many P.O. Box mail in votes.  That’s why the concern trolls can rest easy, Joe Dementia Biden will be sworn in on January 16th.  This is much ado about nothing.

So let's do another recount in every state, including the states Trump won, it's only fair. How many recounts have been called for and court cases filed by Democrats? For Trumpites, the only fair elections are the ones they win.

What they really want is a single party state with Trump leader for life. Which would make the US exactly like China.
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« Reply #207 on: January 05, 2021, 12:29:02 pm »
Complete nonsense.  You probably haven’t actually heard the whole call.  But you’re right, I mean January 20th.
I listened. He sounded totally looped out of his mind. There was no added context though, other than the typical BS allegations. That's why you can't clearly express what that added context was...other than repeating the bogus, unsubstantiated crap.
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« Reply #208 on: January 05, 2021, 12:34:04 pm »
I listened. He sounded totally looped out of his mind. There was no added context though, other than the typical BS allegations. That's why you can't clearly express what that added context was...other than repeating the bogus, unsubstantiated crap.
It doesn’t sound as though you have heard the whole call either.  Probably the same selectively edited CNN clip.

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« Reply #209 on: January 05, 2021, 12:37:12 pm »
Complete nonsense.  You probably haven’t actually heard the whole call.  But you’re right, I mean January 20th.

Not sure what you think is nonsense. I think we've all heard the section of the call where donny suggests the secretary "find" the 11k plus votes he needs to win Ga., after the votes have been counted at least 3 times. Donny lost fair and square and now he is suggesting an illegal action to try and overturn that. Now there is some actual nonsense. And as previously pointed out, it's illegal nonsense.