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Offline Michael Hardner

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Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
« Reply #180 on: January 03, 2021, 02:10:22 pm »
Don't they HAVE to prosecute this?

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« Reply #181 on: January 03, 2021, 02:56:25 pm »
Don't they HAVE to prosecute this?

They sure as hell should. I would say threatening a person with the power secretary of a state to do what he asks is criminal. I have heard comments from some of the legal beagles that it very well could be prosecuted but probably wouldn't amount to a conviction given the circumstances, but if his reputation wasn't already in the dump this should move it further that way.

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« Reply #182 on: January 03, 2021, 02:57:51 pm »
Oh... SHOULD... Right ::)
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« Reply #183 on: January 03, 2021, 03:06:55 pm »
Don't they HAVE to prosecute this?

You would think so.
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« Reply #184 on: January 03, 2021, 03:14:59 pm »
earlier today, the Atlanta Journal-Constitution also received a copy of the taped recording

with a couple of additional gems noted in the linked article:

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Among the people on the call were Raffensperger, White House Chief of Staff Mark Meadows and several aides and attorneys. Seeking to defuse the tension, Meadows urged Georgia officials “in the spirit of cooperation and compromise” to find a path forward that doesn’t involve the court system.

“We don’t agree that you have one, Raffensperger responded

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Later, close to the end of the conversation, Raffensperger interjected that Trump was falling victim to false conspiracy theories he’s seen on Twitter.

“Mr. President, the problem you have with social media is that people can say anything.”

No, this isn’t social media. This is Trump media,” the president responded. “You should want to have an accurate election and you’re a Republican.”

“We believe we do have an accurate election,” Raffensperger replied.


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« Reply #185 on: January 03, 2021, 05:12:32 pm »
You would think so.
I think there's a better chance of Trump suffocating under a flurry of panties from his supporters over something like this.

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« Reply #186 on: January 03, 2021, 05:42:42 pm »
Don't they HAVE to prosecute this?

impeach his azz! Oh... wait... carry on!

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Offline Squidward von Squidderson

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« Reply #187 on: January 03, 2021, 06:03:56 pm »
He would simply resign and Pence would then pardon him.

Better to wait a bit...   like only a few weeks.  Then their can be hearings and the Justice Dept. can pursue the matter without the risk of a pardon.

If the Dems are feeling generous, they can convict the prick and then Biden could pardon him...  after a few months in the slammer maybe...

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« Reply #188 on: January 03, 2021, 07:45:00 pm »
He would simply resign and Pence would then pardon him.

Better to wait a bit...   like only a few weeks.  Then their can be hearings and the Justice Dept. can pursue the matter without the risk of a pardon.

If the Dems are feeling generous, they can convict the prick and then Biden could pardon him...  after a few months in the slammer maybe...

Hope he stays, then he can be convicted. Biden can commute his sentence but he'll still be a convicted felon.

On the other hand, if there are any skeletons in Biden's closet that might require a future pardon, he won't want to go too hard on Trump.
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« Reply #189 on: January 03, 2021, 08:25:10 pm »
On the other hand, if there are any skeletons in Biden's closet that might require a future pardon, he won't want to go too hard on Trump.
That's a bit 'if'.

Biden has been around the Washington political scene for decades. His terms as a senator and a VP have probably assured that if there were any skeletons in Biden's closet (at least ones that were criminal in nature) they would have been dug up years ago. I am pretty sure biden is in the clear.

Besides, why would you expect any sort of 'quid pro quo' over this? Even if Biden goes easy, it doesn't mean that a future president (either Democrat or republican) would do the same for him. Heck, given the fact that republicans were quite happy to have Ukraine try to dig up FAKE dirt on the Biden family, they would be happy to prosecute him over any real dirt (if it existed.)
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« Reply #190 on: January 03, 2021, 08:47:00 pm »
That's a bit 'if'.

Biden has been around the Washington political scene for decades. His terms as a senator and a VP have probably assured that if there were any skeletons in Biden's closet (at least ones that were criminal in nature) they would have been dug up years ago. I am pretty sure biden is in the clear.

Besides, why would you expect any sort of 'quid pro quo' over this? Even if Biden goes easy, it doesn't mean that a future president (either Democrat or republican) would do the same for him. Heck, given the fact that republicans were quite happy to have Ukraine try to dig up FAKE dirt on the Biden family, they would be happy to prosecute him over any real dirt (if it existed.)

The thing is, it would set a precedent for all future presidents, it wouldn't be just about Trump and Biden. I don't know what Biden might do but it will be interesting to see how it all plays out.
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« Reply #191 on: January 03, 2021, 10:01:14 pm »
The thing is, it would set a precedent for all future presidents, it wouldn't be just about Trump and Biden. I don't know what Biden might do but it will be interesting to see how it all plays out.
Yeah but I think any and all political norms have been demolished in the United States.

Hyperpartisanship, dirty tricks, rank hypocrisy, a racist con-artist for president, and republicans in congress who enabled the worst of Trump's excesses are what the Republicans are all about. (And while the Democrats may not be perfect, their faults pale in comparison to the republicans.)

Whatever 'precedents' Biden might set, they will be ignored by the republicans if they think it gives them an political advantage. Remember, they are the party that were eager to impeach Clinton over a stained dress (technically a slightly different crime, but the thought is the same) yet thought it was wrong to impeach Trump over trying to blackmail a foreign country to interfere in the election.
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Offline Queefer Sutherland

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« Reply #192 on: January 03, 2021, 11:28:34 pm »
Trump is living in a dream world post-election and he's trying to convince everyone else of his BS.  He's a classic con-man.  The recording of him is disgusting.
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Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
« Reply #193 on: January 03, 2021, 11:47:17 pm »
Don't they HAVE to prosecute this?

impeach his azz! Oh... wait... carry on!

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Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
« Reply #194 on: January 04, 2021, 10:03:45 am »
He would simply resign and Pence would then pardon him.

Better to wait a bit...   like only a few weeks.  Then their can be hearings and the Justice Dept. can pursue the matter without the risk of a pardon.

If the Dems are feeling generous, they can convict the prick and then Biden could pardon him...  after a few months in the slammer maybe...

How? You can't pardon someone who hasn't been convicted of a federal crime.