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Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
« Reply #630 on: January 12, 2021, 07:55:29 pm »
Hopefully the price of abandoning Trump will ensure Republicans are out of power too, for a least 4 years - 8 would be great.

As long as it takes to purge Trumpism.
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Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
« Reply #631 on: January 12, 2021, 10:47:34 pm »
I misspoke, he has stated he approves of the impeachment process.

Senator Mitch McConnell of Kentucky, the Republican leader, has told associates that he believes President Trump committed impeachable offenses and that he is pleased that Democrats are moving to impeach him, believing that it will make it easier to purge him from the party, according to people familiar with his thinking.
Although it may sound good, I think some skepticism is warranted...

First of all, McConnell hasn't stated he supports impeachment publically... we're hearing this through "associates". Who knows if its accurate.

Secondly, even if he did say he is "pleased with impeachment", that may not necessarily translate to an impeachment conviction. Moscow Mitch may decide in the end that its better strategically to protect Trump than thrown him under the bus.
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« Reply #632 on: January 12, 2021, 11:30:35 pm »
Although it may sound good, I think some skepticism is warranted...

First of all, McConnell hasn't stated he supports impeachment publically... we're hearing this through "associates". Who knows if its accurate.

Secondly, even if he did say he is "pleased with impeachment", that may not necessarily translate to an impeachment conviction. Moscow Mitch may decide in the end that its better strategically to protect Trump than thrown him under the bus.

There is a school of thought that says that would have never got out if McConnell hadn't wanted it to get out.
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Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
« Reply #633 on: January 13, 2021, 07:21:59 am »
Secondly, even if he did say he is "pleased with impeachment", that may not necessarily translate to an impeachment conviction. Moscow Mitch may decide in the end that its better strategically to protect Trump than thrown him under the bus.

Why? Trump lost him the Senate and sicked an angry mob on him.

I see him working with Chuck Schumer to make this happen.
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Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
« Reply #634 on: January 13, 2021, 09:19:47 am »
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Secondly, even if he did say he is "pleased with impeachment", that may not necessarily translate to an impeachment conviction. Moscow Mitch may decide in the end that its better strategically to protect Trump than thrown him under the bus.
Why? Trump lost him the Senate and sicked an angry mob on him.
Yes, but he also has to worry about future elections (such as the 2022 mid terms, where the Republicans are defending more seats than the democrats in the senate, and the house republicans will be trying to take back the majority.) He will want to make sure the Republicans are as strong as possible for the election, and seeing the republican party split between overt fascists (like Gym Jordan) who want to overturn the election, and more secretive fascists (like Moscow Mitch) who want to pretend they are reasonable might harm them in the future.

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I see him working with Chuck Schumer to make this happen.
Well, lets see... Moscow Mitch claimed that the Senate could not start addressing the Impeachment until the 20th (i.e. they wouldn't decide on things until after Biden is sworn in.) Schumer has pointed out that there are rules and procedures in place to start addressing impeachment immediately.

Now, if the Turtle really wanted Trump gone immediately, why did he say they needed to wait? McConnell has been around the senate a long time.... he knows the rules and how to bend/break them. Why did he say they needed to wait?

https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/533861-schumer-calls-on-mcconnell-to-allow-trump-impeachment-trial-immediately

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Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
« Reply #635 on: January 13, 2021, 09:30:13 am »
Why? Trump lost him the Senate and sicked an angry mob on him.

Yes, but he also has to worry about future elections (such as the 2022 mid terms, where the Republicans are defending more seats than the democrats in the senate, and the house republicans will be trying to take back the majority.) He will want to make sure the Republicans are as strong as possible for the election, and seeing the republican party split between overt fascists (like Gym Jordan) who want to overturn the election, and more secretive fascists (like Moscow Mitch) who want to pretend they are reasonable might harm them in the future.
Well, lets see... Moscow Mitch claimed that the Senate could not start addressing the Impeachment until the 20th (i.e. they wouldn't decide on things until after Biden is sworn in.) Schumer has pointed out that there are rules and procedures in place to start addressing impeachment immediately.

Now, if the Turtle really wanted Trump gone immediately, why did he say they needed to wait? McConnell has been around the senate a long time.... he knows the rules and how to bend/break them. Why did he say they needed to wait?

https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/533861-schumer-calls-on-mcconnell-to-allow-trump-impeachment-trial-immediately

There's apparently a provision that can allow the Senate to reconvene if both leaders agree. According to Rachel Maddow anyway.

I suspect continuing to placate to Trump and his rabble has got them where they are, something's gotta give. If you have to kowtow to this seditious mob, then you're complicit in their behaviour.
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« Reply #636 on: January 13, 2021, 10:18:36 pm »
Looks like this may have actually been an inside job....

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Rep. Mikie Sherrill (D-N.J.) shared she witnessed members of Congress leading people through the Capitol on Jan. 5, the day before the violent riots occurred.

“We can’t have a democracy if members of Congress are actively helping the president overturn the election’s results,” Sherrill remarked according to news outlet North Jersey.

She continued, “I also intend to see that those members of Congress who abetted him; those members of Congress who had groups coming through the Capitol that I saw on Jan. 5 — a reconnaissance for the next day; those members of Congress that incited this violent crowd; those members of Congress that attempted to help our president undermine our democracy; I’m going to see they are held accountable, and if necessary, ensure that they don’t serve in Congress,’ she said.
https://news.yahoo.com/rep-sherrill-says-colleagues-gave-014000557.html


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« Reply #637 on: January 13, 2021, 11:20:53 pm »
Looks like this may have actually been an inside job....
 https://news.yahoo.com/rep-sherrill-says-colleagues-gave-014000557.html

I know they have public tours of the Capital building all the time.  Would be unusual for a Congressman to be a part of them that's for sure, other then maybe saying hi in the hallways.  They usually keep the public tours away from Congress people for security reasons.  So yeah this is suspicious.

Some of these rioters were full on terrorists with premeditated plans.  That's just disgusting.
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« Reply #638 on: January 14, 2021, 12:05:46 am »
I know they have public tours of the Capital building all the time.  Would be unusual for a Congressman to be a part of them that's for sure, other then maybe saying hi in the hallways.  They usually keep the public tours away from Congress people for security reasons.  So yeah this is suspicious.

Some of these rioters were full on terrorists with premeditated plans.  That's just disgusting.

They haven’t had ANY public tours for many months since COVID.

Apparently, the ONLY way to get into the Capitol building now is to be escorted by a member or their staffers.

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« Reply #639 on: January 14, 2021, 06:17:01 am »
The troll boards I am on had **** alt right folks bragging that they were going to have a coordinated attack Jan 6.

Seems like more than a coincidence.

If it was premeditated then it doesn't matter how half-assed it was.  Get their phone records, IP addresses... Prosecute to the max.

This blight has to be removed or it will turn into real armed opposition.  For what?  Reaganomics and against political correctness?

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« Reply #640 on: January 14, 2021, 08:13:29 am »
The troll boards I am on had **** alt right folks bragging that they were going to have a coordinated attack Jan 6.

Seems like more than a coincidence.

If it was premeditated then it doesn't matter how half-assed it was.  Get their phone records, IP addresses... Prosecute to the max.

This blight has to be removed or it will turn into real armed opposition.  For what?  Reaganomics and against political correctness?

Holy s*** just heard on CNN (audio - I didn't see it) a video where a woman with a bullhorn is giving explicit and very detailed instructions on the layout and how to break through certain doors, to get to secure rooms and "take the building" ... so we are now talking about a premedidated and carefully planned attack. 

So... less half-assed.

Now if THIS ACTION is excused, and you don't make an example of these people you are leaving armed conflict open as an option for future insurgents.

Civil war seemed like a fantasy 20 years ago, a distant threat 5 years ago, merely unlikely today.  :P

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Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
« Reply #641 on: January 14, 2021, 10:43:10 am »
It looks like we're seeing the birth of a persistent and acknowledged domestic threat of a new kind: insurgents actively planning attacks on the US government from within with a significant chance of executing them.

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Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
« Reply #642 on: January 14, 2021, 11:03:53 am »
It looks like we're seeing the birth of a persistent and acknowledged domestic threat of a new kind: insurgents actively planning attacks on the US government from within with a significant chance of executing them.

At least the infrastructure exists for dealing with extremist Muslims.  :-\
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Re: Post US Election Transition Culture
« Reply #643 on: January 14, 2021, 12:51:53 pm »
At least the infrastructure exists for dealing with extremist Muslims.  :-\

But what about the fact that law enforcement and the military have been infiltrated by the same terrorists they are supposed to be protecting the state from?
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« Reply #644 on: January 14, 2021, 02:24:19 pm »
accepting to Fox News internal schisms between its more legitimate News division and the Infotainment (money-maker) division, Media Matters offers up the following analysis:

In 2 weeks after it called the election, Fox News cast doubt on the results nearly 800 times

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Fox News built the lie that fueled Trump’s insurrectionist mob - shouldn’t escape culpability for its role in the “stolen election” lie that inflamed the violent mob.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nmab7T390Rc