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« Reply #15 on: November 08, 2020, 05:58:42 pm »
70 million people voted for Trump this election is all i'm saying.
That's probably the biggest take away from this election and especially given the likelihood of a lame duck congress and lamer presidency as a result.  The battle for Georgia's senate seats should be pretty epic. Trumpism is the proven clearest path to Republican power and Trump still has a lot of capacity to leave an even larger mess on the next president's desk.

Never mind Georgia the next US presidential election campaign is already long underway too.

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« Reply #16 on: November 08, 2020, 06:01:47 pm »
70 million people voted for Trump this election is all i'm saying.

Disappointing, because I thought you might be suggesting a lot more.

I think you're not understanding that Trump's people who are the middle class and the poor are just wanting for the same lift up out of poverty as Biden's people of the same financial positions.

America's poverty is hidden from the world's view but it can be seen clearly with a bit of research. It's a bastardization of capitalism that differs from our Canadian values as well as the values of the rest of the world's capitalist systems.

I can't help think you already know that!
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« Reply #17 on: November 08, 2020, 06:39:40 pm »
I think you're not understanding that Trump's people who are the middle class and the poor are just wanting for the same lift up out of poverty as Biden's people of the same financial positions.

That's one thing that the Trump rightwing and Bernie leftwing populists all have in common, they're tired of the corruption of the Washington elites.

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America's poverty is hidden from the world's view but it can be seen clearly with a bit of research. It's a bastardization of capitalism that differs from our Canadian values as well as the values of the rest of the world's capitalist systems.

Unfortunately a lot of Americans, especially Republican supporters, value "freedom" over better economic and social conditions, which is why things like healthcare reform is so hard.
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« Reply #18 on: November 08, 2020, 07:04:45 pm »
That's one thing that the Trump rightwing and Bernie leftwing populists all have in common, they're tired of the corruption of the Washington elites.
 

Yeah - it fills you with hope.  For a second anyway.

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« Reply #19 on: November 08, 2020, 09:14:56 pm »
Yeah - it fills you with hope.  For a second anyway.

Indeed.

Off-topic, how did your beloved polls do in the election this year?

They had Biden up 7.2% in the popular vote LOL:  https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2020/president/us/general_election_trump_vs_biden-6247.html
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« Reply #20 on: November 08, 2020, 09:20:50 pm »
Indeed.

Off-topic, how did your beloved polls do in the election this year?

They had Biden up 7.2% in the popular vote LOL:  https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2020/president/us/general_election_trump_vs_biden-6247.html

Isn't Biden projected to win by almost 7 million votes? That isn't that far off.
But I would agree that Trump would be more likely to have supporters who would refuse to take part in polling. I'm not sure that difference was tabulated in their projections.

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« Reply #21 on: November 09, 2020, 10:16:03 am »
Indeed.

Off-topic, how did your beloved polls do in the election this year?

They had Biden up 7.2% in the popular vote LOL:  https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2020/president/us/general_election_trump_vs_biden-6247.html

Polls seem to aggregate well but there are a ton of head scratchers.

Minnesota was close and next door Wisconsin was way off.

I have my suspicions, in that the fivethirtyeight people are a little cocksure when they discuss the model.  It's a model and a very new idea of aggregating polls in the internet age.  There is a ton of subjectivity there, like how much weight they assign to an A+ poll vs a D poll, and what the f*** decides if a poll is A, B, C or D.

This all is possible because of the internet and cellphones and the clusterf*ck can similarly be blamed on the same technology.

It's kind of beautiful.

I would like to record a suspicion that I had earlier is now a flaming red flag... the use of the term "margin of error" by the fivethirtyeight people is false IMO.  They don't have a margin of error in the conventional sense of the word.

So the answer is that the model failed to work as described, but because they were conservative in how they designed it, it did reasonably well and predicted the outcome more or less accurately.

In the end, I am glad Trump is gone and will be interested in following the postmortem on the model.

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« Reply #22 on: November 09, 2020, 11:49:54 am »
That's one thing that the Trump rightwing and Bernie leftwing populists all have in common, they're tired of the corruption of the Washington elites.

Maybe it's time for everybody to back off of the 'wing' talk. Trump's people were an aberration and Bernie's people weren't wingers according to any rational standardss being set by the West's countries.

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Unfortunately a lot of Americans, especially Republican supporters, value "freedom" over better economic and social conditions, which is why things like healthcare reform is so hard.

Americans are choosing to relinquish their freedoms for fear of the 'commie' under their beds that just doesn't exist.

We're not connecting and I feel that we should be able to. Maybe when it becomes evident that nothing is changing under the Biden regime, we will?

One thing maybe we can agree upon for a start is that their system of government is going to hold them back indedefintely, due to the Senate digging in in the same way it did under the Obama regime. What Biden can do with executive orders will be very limited and it's a safe bet to say that he will be able to do exactly nothing more.

One thing that I've been able to observe about this election so far is that it's quite remarkably a divide between white people and others. More than I ever expected it would be. They're awash in racism up to their ears! And that's not saying that the non-whites aren't a part of the hating for race reasons.
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« Reply #23 on: November 09, 2020, 08:16:02 pm »
lawsuit filed seeking to block Pennsylvania from certifying election results:


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« Reply #24 on: November 09, 2020, 10:33:12 pm »
The fear with Trump's senility was incompetence and going berserk.  The fear with Biden's should be that the people around him will manipulate him.  Why try to remove a mentally failing POTUS when you can control him.
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« Reply #25 on: November 09, 2020, 11:00:35 pm »
MAGAites really, really, really concerned that 'a call' was made "by the media" when there are such perceived razor-thin margins; with votes still being counted, differences within the following states (with Georgia & Arizona yet to receive a projected winner):

=> Pennsylvania, with 98% ballots reported in: 45,103 favouring Biden
=> Nevada, with 97% ballots reported in: 36,186 favouring Biden
=> Wisconsin, with 99% ballots reported in: 20,539 favouring Biden

=> Georgia, with 99% ballots reported in: 12,337 favouring Biden
=> Arizona, with 98% ballots reported in: 14,746 favouring Biden


by the by, Trumpy won the 2016 Electoral College based upon ~77,000 votes from 3 states; 3 states that held the following voting margins in favour of Trump:

=> Wisconsin ~23k
=> Pennsylvania ~44k
=> Michigan ~11k

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« Reply #26 on: November 10, 2020, 12:06:38 am »
ColludyRudy heading up Trump's legal team challenging "voting irregularities" - calls a presser in Philadelphia to speak to, "legal challenges to vote counting in Pennsylvania". Press conference held at the Four Seasons Hotel Total Landscaping Co. --- next to Fantasy Island Adult Books; across the street from the Delaware Valley Cremation Center:
This was the icing on the cake for me, I laughed so hard.  It was surreal.

Any looming doubt about Biden becoming an Al Gore in his premature win went out the window with that press conference.  Between the DOA Hunter Biden October Surprise and the Keystone Cop spectacle of a press conference, I know with Rudy at the helm of legal challenges Biden's presidency is safe.

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« Reply #27 on: November 10, 2020, 01:31:44 am »
The fear with Trump's senility was incompetence and going berserk.  The fear with Biden's should be that the people around him will manipulate him.  Why try to remove a mentally failing POTUS when you can control him.

Dude, come on.  What happened to you?
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« Reply #28 on: November 10, 2020, 01:53:01 am »
Dude, come on.  What happened to you?

Youíve never noticed Grahamís penchant for conspiracies?
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« Reply #29 on: November 10, 2020, 10:54:20 am »
Excellent news out today from the land of the gun! The Republicans are getting behind Trump and his refusal to allow the Democrats to 'cheat' him out of the presidency.

There's just no way the fun and entertainment will end soon as that country begins to demonstrate to the world what a totalitarian regime looks like.

May they shoot, bomb, and destroy each other before they get an opportunity to do harm to another small peaceful country!

Any informed opinions on which side is cheating the most? With evidence?

My guess is: I don't give a fk as long as they keep the bombs and bullets inside their own borders.
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