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I think the definition has become too broad. Having a fear of something because you have had a bad experience with it doesn't necessarily make it PTSD.
The endless attempts to expand the definitions of words renders the words meaningless. In this case, it also devalues the experiences of people who suffer experience the most serious traumas (soldiers, violent crime victims, etc).

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The endless attempts to expand the definitions of words renders the words meaningless. In this case, it also devalues the experiences of people who suffer experience the most serious traumas (soldiers, violent crime victims, etc).
Do you think maybe there might be a sort of scale, where people who experience the most serious traumas maybe tend to suffer more than the ones who experience less serious traumas? Or does everything have to be black and white/serious or unserious/valued or unvalued?

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Do you think maybe there might be a sort of scale, where people who experience the most serious traumas maybe tend to suffer more than the ones who experience less serious traumas? Or does everything have to be black and white/serious or unserious/valued or unvalued?
Until recently PTSD was universally understood to be a serious and debilitating condition. Applying that term to people experiencing less serious/trivial traumas means the seriousness of PTSD is debased and people no longer know what it means when people claim to have PTSD. This is not a good thing and means people who are really suffering from PTSD may not be taken as seriously as before.

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Until recently PTSD was universally understood to be a serious and debilitating condition. Applying that term to people experiencing less serious/trivial traumas means the seriousness of PTSD is debased and people no longer know what it means when people claim to have PTSD. This is not a good thing and means people who are really suffering from PTSD may not be taken as seriously as before.
Until recently, the world was universally understood not to be black/white, right/left, good/bad, serious/trivial. By applying this outlook, the middle ground has been debased and people no longer know what it means when something is analogous to something more serious but on a smaller scale. This is not a good thing and means people who are really suffering from PTSD are not being taken seriously because their condition may not be as severe as someone who has just watched babies getting burned to death.
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Until recently, the world was universally understood not to be black/white, right/left, good/bad, serious/trivial.
Revisionist nonsense. What has happened is so many people crave the victim label and the social status that goes with it that they look for terms that carry a lot of emotional weight and high jack those terms to make their trivial claims to victimhood to be more profound than they are.

The bottom line is if "PTSD" is going to be expanded to mean anything from seeing babies burned to feeling bad because your boss grabbed your ass then the term no longer has a useful meaning. This also means it will be necessary to find out exactly why someone suffers from PTSD before one can determine what level of sympathy/support is appropriate. For many of the more trivial claims of PTSD the most appropriate response will be "grow up and stop whining". It is mystery why people think that making language meaningless is a useful approach to these issues.
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Revisionist nonsense. What has happened is so many people crave the victim label and the social status that goes with it that they look for terms that carry a lot of emotional weight and high jack those terms to make their trivial claims to victimhood to be more profound than they are.

The bottom line is if "PTSD" is going to be expanded to mean anything from seeing babies burned to feeling bad because your boss grabbed your ass then the term no longer has a useful meaning. This also means it will be necessary to find out exactly why someone suffers from PTSD before one can determine what level of sympathy/support is appropriate. For many of the more trivial claims of PTSD the most appropriate response will be "grow up and stop whining". It is mystery why people think that making language meaningless is a useful approach to these issues.

It doesn't help when Matt Damon says a patt on the butt is not as bad as **** and the outrage-o-sphere wants him kicked off his latest movie.

Of course, he did know about all this stuff while it was happening, but I seem to remember actually telling people about it was not considered an option.

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I think PTSD is related to experiencing.physical violence in some form.
It doesn't have to be physical violence.

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The bottom line is if "PTSD" is going to be expanded to mean anything from seeing babies burned to feeling bad because your boss grabbed your ass then the term no longer has a useful meaning.
I think it has plenty of useful meaning to people who are capable of seeing gradients. I can see how one would have trouble, however, if they were forced to view things as strictly white or black/the same or different.

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I linked the medical definition of PTSD and quite clearly, all trauma is not and does not result in PTSD.
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I think it has plenty of useful meaning to people who are capable of seeing gradients. I can see how one would have trouble, however, if they were forced to view things as strictly white or black/the same or different.
A strawman argument. Saying that PTSD should only apply to people suffering the effects of serious trauma does not mean their can't be gradients within those experiences. Insisting that it must be extended to the absurdly trivial is not about 'seeing gradients'  - it is an exercise in pandering to the 'cult of the victim. It is equivalent to saying that someone who stubs their toe should be seen as suffering like someone who had their leg amputated. There is no comparison and attempting to infer that a comparison can be made is insulting to the amputees.
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A strawman argument. Saying that PTSD should only apply to people suffering the effects of serious trauma does not mean their can't be gradients within those experiences. Insisting that it must be extended to the absurdly trivial is not about 'seeing gradients'  - it is an exercise in pandering to the 'cult of the victim. It is equivalent to saying that someone who stubs their toe should be seen as suffering like someone who had their leg amputated. There is no comparison and attempting to infer that a comparison can be made is insulting to the amputees.

There is the real strawman argument. Having your trust betrayed in someone you have to deal with everyday and who has power over you, such as the ass grabbing boss, is a far cry from your toe stubbing nonsense.
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There is the real strawman argument. Having your trust betrayed in someone you have to deal with everyday and who has power over you, such as the ass grabbing boss, is a far cry from your toe stubbing nonsense.

Sure it is, that is why PTSD is defined by the symptoms as defined in a medical diagnosis.

Sherry Romanado's claim that Bezan's juvenile quip about a threesome,
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is a far cry from your toe stubbing nonsense.
[sarc]Who are you to judge the pain caused by stubbing  your toe? If someone says that they experience recurring nightmares and other PTSD symptoms then you have NO right to dispute. You must accept the self-selected diagnosis and demand punishment for the people responsible.[/sarc]

The stupid thing is our society has gotten to the point were the sarcasm is actually the reality and we get people like you willing to blindly defend the claims of any self-identified victim as long as they belong to one of the anointed victim groups. This needs to stop. With PTSD it could start by dismissing PTSD claims unless there is real and serious trauma which could be the trigger. Without he trauma any psychological issues are likely pre-existing.
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[sarc]Who are you to judge the pain caused by stubbing  your toe? If someone says that their experience recurring nightmares and other PTSD symptoms then you have NO right to dispute. You must accept the self-selected diagnosis and demand punishment for the people responsible.[/sarc]

The stupid thing is our society has gotten to the point were the sarcasm is actually the reality and we get people like you willing to blindly defend the claims of any self-identified victim as long as they belong to one of the anointed victim groups. This needs to stop. With PTSD it could start by dismissing PTSD claims unless there is real and serious trauma which could be the trigger. Without he trauma any psychological issues are likely pre-existing.

Suffering mental trauma as a result of sexual assault is not a "pre-existing" condition.

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Suffering mental trauma as a result of sexual assault is not a "pre-existing" condition.
Sexual assault is another of those words which is has been given such a broad definition that it is effectively meaningless. Trauma from **** is serious. Trauma from a single incident of "butt-grabbing" is not.