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Offline the_squid

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« on: November 25, 2019, 12:44:20 pm »
Best or worst candidate ever?  Discuss.

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Offline segnosaur

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« Reply #1 on: November 25, 2019, 02:00:03 pm »
Best or worst candidate ever?  Discuss.
In what context?

Best as in capable of fulfilling the role of president?

In that case I'd have to say she would have been fairly competent/capable. Not sure if she'd be the 'best' ever, but could conceivably be in the top half of recent presidents.  She was familiar with the Washington landscape, actually had some praise from both sides of congress back when she was a senator, and had some decent enough policies.

Best as in personal ability to campaign and/or win an election?

Not quite as good as her ability to actually fulfill the role of president. She did not have the personal charisma as Obama or Bill Clinton, and she had made some mistakes (both prior to the election and during the election) that legitimately affected her electibility.

Best as in had the best chance at winning?

Note that this differs from her actual abilities as a candidate as discussed earlier. The republicans (and their media arm at Fox News) did do a rather effective job at smearing her over things like Bengazi (which likely gives republicans orgasms when they hear the name) or Uranium-1, even though in both cases Hillary was not culpable at all . Now whether that makes Hillary a 'bad' candidate is debatable... any politician is likely to have areas they can be attacked for (sometimes unfairly). Clinton has just been around longer to give her opponents more material to work with.

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Re: Hillary
« Reply #2 on: November 25, 2019, 02:30:05 pm »
Best or worst candidate ever?  Discuss.

Setting the goalposts at best or worst is a little unrealistic to start with, but I would certainly label her as a worthy candidate. She certainly has a wealth of experience in government. She also had some issues with such things as Whitewater, Benghazi, emails etc., that the Repubs kept/keep trying to flog in attempts  to smear her (all of which she has been cleared of). She also had to deal with Trump's thuggery during the debates and at the end of the day ~3million American voters thought she was the better candidate but that means F*** all in the biased US EC system. And look at the gong show they have going on now!.   

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« Reply #3 on: November 25, 2019, 07:16:59 pm »
Not the best or worst.  Pretty mediocre overall.  Somewhat competent though not even close to a Bill Clinton or Obama, she also lacked vision IMO.  I'd rate her higher than John Kerry and maybe on par or a little higher than Al Gore.  She's quite corrupt and untrustworthy and loses a ton of points for that.  Not very likeable.
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Re: Hillary
« Reply #4 on: November 25, 2019, 07:18:56 pm »
How is Hillary Clinton “corrupt”?   Be specific.

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« Reply #5 on: November 25, 2019, 07:22:38 pm »
How is Hillary Clinton “corrupt”?   Be specific.

You beat me to it and yes, I am waiting to hear the attempt to answer that too.

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« Reply #6 on: November 25, 2019, 07:42:54 pm »
Best or worst candidate ever?  Discuss.

Binary choices - stupid or merely retarded ? 

Discuss.

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« Reply #7 on: November 25, 2019, 07:48:31 pm »
How is Hillary Clinton “corrupt”?   Be specific.

Do you think Clinton is highly ethical, not bought and paid for by monied interests?  Her and her husband are slime.  The 2 main House of Cards characters were based on her and Billy.

She has Super PAC money coming out of her eyeballs.  Clinton Foundation political money out her eyeballs.  Her tenticles are all over Wall Street interests.  Her and the DNC tried to undermine Bernie Sander's campaign in 2015.  She'd now trying to destroy Gabbard.

https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/11/02/clinton-brazile-hacks-2016-215774
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Re: Hillary
« Reply #8 on: November 25, 2019, 08:04:51 pm »
Do you think Clinton is highly ethical, not bought and paid for by monied interests?  Her and her husband are slime.  The 2 main House of Cards characters were based on her and Billy.

She has Super PAC money coming out of her eyeballs.  Clinton Foundation political money out her eyeballs.  Her tenticles are all over Wall Street interests.  Her and the DNC tried to undermine Bernie Sander's campaign in 2015.  She'd now trying to destroy Gabbard.

https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/11/02/clinton-brazile-hacks-2016-215774

Sooo, because a lot of people donated a lot of money to Hillary's campaign that makes her "slime"? Gabbard is destroying herself with her racist comments/connections.

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« Reply #9 on: November 25, 2019, 08:11:26 pm »
Sooo, because a lot of people donated a lot of money to Hillary's campaign that makes her "slime"?

It's one of the things.  She's bought and paid for.  Why are you defending the slime ball?
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« Reply #10 on: November 25, 2019, 08:14:40 pm »
She's a liar and phony and a well-connected well paid-off elitist that would do almost anything to get elected.   She's so bad the Americans especially the swing states told her to suck it in favour of Trump-tard.
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« Reply #11 on: November 25, 2019, 08:19:00 pm »
She's a liar and phony and a well-connected well paid-off elitist that would do almost anything to get elected.   She's so bad the Americans especially the swing states told her to suck it in favour of Trump-tard.

Actually no, 3 million more Americans voted for Hillary than they did for "Trump-tard."

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« Reply #12 on: November 25, 2019, 08:44:12 pm »
All fails at showing how she is corrupt.  You failed miserably.  Nothing actually specific...  just vague nonsense. 

I’m not saying she’s not corrupt, but if you’re going to make the claim then back it up with real examples.
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« Reply #13 on: November 25, 2019, 09:44:34 pm »
All fails at showing how she is corrupt.  You failed miserably.  Nothing actually specific...  just vague nonsense. 

I’m not saying she’s not corrupt, but if you’re going to make the claim then back it up with real examples.

I sent you a link with one example.  I'm not going to do anymore work i'm tired.  This opinion is not controversial it's a google search away please feel free
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« Reply #14 on: November 25, 2019, 09:45:25 pm »
Or ask the many millions that voted for her but still thought she was corrupt.  Not all thought that, but many.
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