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Re: Electoral College Predictions !
« Reply #45 on: October 27, 2020, 02:39:48 pm »
I predict the US is at the closet it's been to civil war in 155 years.  I predict a high likelihood of violence. 
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Re: Electoral College Predictions !
« Reply #46 on: October 27, 2020, 02:43:00 pm »
I predict the results will be indefinitely disputed and we will never agree on the true winner.

Somebody will decide for you.
But consider the consequences if you were right!

For the sake of MH who seems to want to make a poll out of it, I'll say a Biden win with 350 and 188, as a narrow hunch as opposed to your suspicions of a total beakdown of America's democratic electoral system, that would necessitate another election.

I commend you for you out of the box thinking!
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« Reply #47 on: October 27, 2020, 02:47:13 pm »
I predict the US is at the closet it's been to civil war in 155 years.  I predict a high likelihood of violence.

It seems inescapable doesn't it.
But the biggest detractor from that scenario is the very high possibility that no decision will be possible on the presedential side of it at least. This has the power of defusing the violence.
And when the final decision comes, the situation will be so well defused that it won't have the power to motivate any of them into pulling the trigger (s).
Or maybe just a narrow few will?
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Re: Electoral College Predictions !
« Reply #48 on: October 27, 2020, 02:49:36 pm »
Somebody will decide for you.

Somebody decided the 2000 Bush/Gore debacle, but that's still not agreed on.  The difference there is the courts were listened to.  If the court are now 6-3 conservative in the SCOTUS, and Trump makes a legal challenge, that's where poop hits the fan, and people may not listen if the decision is seen by many as politically motivated.

The best case scenario is a blow-out win by one of the candidates, likely Biden, so it's not even close enough to dispute.  In 2000 things got messy because it was so close.

I really don't think anyone knows what's going to happen.  This is the most interesting election of my lifetime.

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Re: Electoral College Predictions !
« Reply #49 on: October 27, 2020, 02:59:36 pm »
Somebody decided the 2000 Bush/Gore debacle, but that's still not agreed on.  The difference there is the courts were listened to.  If the court are now 6-3 conservative in the SCOTUS, and Trump makes a legal challenge, that's where poop hits the fan, and people may not listen if the decision is seen by many as politically motivated.

The best case scenario is a blow-out win by one of the candidates, likely Biden, so it's not even close enough to dispute.  In 2000 things got messy because it was so close.

I really don't think anyone knows what's going to happen.  This is the most interesting election of my lifetime.

I don't disagree with any of that. A complete blowout for Biden could put it all to bed and save their country. But barring that, even though that's my prediction as the end result, there's saving grace for the US in that the decision is quite likely going to come out slowly over time.

So I'll add to my prediction that it will be a decisivie win for Biden on about November 15th.

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I really don't think anyone knows what's going to happen.  This is the most interesting election of my lifetime.

I haven't checked on what the bookmakers are saying but that's probably the safest bet due to their lack of bias and main concern being their wallets. Do you?
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« Reply #50 on: October 27, 2020, 03:06:03 pm »
You know the system is **** if it can’t handle a close race.   Did someone already mention “Banana Republic”?
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Re: Electoral College Predictions !
« Reply #51 on: October 27, 2020, 03:14:10 pm »
You know the system is **** if it can’t handle a close race.   Did someone already mention “Banana Republic”?

At the risk of encouraging you to spam the forum, the US system is already ****. That's where the fun comes in.
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« Reply #52 on: October 27, 2020, 03:42:52 pm »
You know the system is **** if it can’t handle a close race.   Did someone already mention “Banana Republic”?
Here is the thing...

I am not really sure "the system" is to blame. I think any political system is prone to corruption if the wrong people get involved.

Canada has been pretty stable, and while I may not have voted for Trudeau or Chretien, I never got the impression that they were actively trying to destroy the country. Could you imagine someone like Trump as a Prime Minister, where there would be even fewer checks and balances to his power?

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Re: Electoral College Predictions !
« Reply #53 on: October 27, 2020, 03:48:41 pm »

I haven't checked on what the bookmakers are saying but that's probably the safest bet due to their lack of bias and main concern being their wallets.

I agree.
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Re: Electoral College Predictions !
« Reply #54 on: October 27, 2020, 03:57:34 pm »
Here is the thing...

I am not really sure "the system" is to blame. I think any political system is prone to corruption if the wrong people get involved.

Canada has been pretty stable, and while I may not have voted for Trudeau or Chretien, I never got the impression that they were actively trying to destroy the country. Could you imagine someone like Trump as a Prime Minister, where there would be even fewer checks and balances to his power?

I agree.  The US system has checks and balances.  Trump can't introduce legislation, he depends on 2 different houses of Congress.  Then there's the SCOTUS, and term limits.

In Canada, if there's a majority gov the PM can serve unlimited terms where he/she can introduce and vote on bills and whip members of his party on how to vote, and chooses the members of cabinet,  the members of SCOTUS (as they are replaced), the GG, and the Senate (as they are replaced).  Those are his checks on power.

Luckily the provinces need to consent to changes to the constitution.

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Re: Electoral College Predictions !
« Reply #55 on: October 27, 2020, 05:38:32 pm »
In theory, the American system seems much better than the Westminster model of government. In theory.

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« Reply #56 on: October 27, 2020, 05:40:50 pm »
In theory, the American system seems much better than the Westminster model of government. In theory.

How so?

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« Reply #57 on: October 27, 2020, 05:45:03 pm »
How so?

In theory, as discussed above, it was designed with checks and balances and a separation of powers to avoid the concentration of power that was held by early English and British monarchs. That was a nice theory. In practice, the Westminster system and those like it have proven far more versatile and successful than the form of government used in the United States and almost every other country south of Canada in this hemisphere.

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« Reply #58 on: October 27, 2020, 05:49:43 pm »
In theory, as discussed above, it was designed with checks and balances and a separation of powers to avoid the concentration of power that was held by early English and British monarchs. That was a nice theory. In practice, the Westminster system and those like it have proven far more versatile and successful than the form of government used in the United States and almost every other country south of Canada in this hemisphere.

I don't agree.  I think there's good and bad in each.
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« Reply #59 on: October 27, 2020, 05:52:47 pm »
I don't agree.  I think there's good and bad in each.

Please list what’s better about the US system.