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Offline Blueblood

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Re: Does America Still Believe in the Right to be Wrong ?
« Reply #15 on: November 11, 2017, 03:54:42 pm »
Quote from: MH on November 11, 2017, 10:15:19 am
Maybe, but thread drift.

I was arguing about cynical proxies as the political norm being EFFECTIVE deal brokers.  Without the right-to-be-wrong there is only disunity.  Complaining about centrists is one thing but electing crazy uncompromising people will lead to stasis, a seized-up political machine, and eventually violence.

Like the divisive previous two presidents?

The Americans chose a loud boor over someone who they feel is corrupt.  To put things into context, there have been two huge events and the way that they were handled that has divided the USA quite sharply.
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Online Michael Hardner

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Re: Does America Still Believe in the Right to be Wrong ?
« Reply #16 on: November 12, 2017, 10:48:32 am »
Quote from: Blueblood on November 11, 2017, 03:54:42 pm
Like the divisive previous two presidents?

I feel like we're in slippery slope territory.  I didn't think GW Bush was great, but I thought people calling him Hitler was absolutely ridiculous, and him getting personally blamed for 9/11 was also ridiculous. 

I don't think Trump is Hitler either.  Some do.  But we are clearly getting more divisive, it seems like a downward trend.  Right to be wrong, or a culture change or large unifying event might reverse this.

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The Americans chose a loud boor over someone who they feel is corrupt.  To put things into context, there have been two huge events and the way that they were handled that has divided the USA quite sharply.

Two huge events ?
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Re: Does America Still Believe in the Right to be Wrong ?
« Reply #17 on: November 12, 2017, 11:53:21 am »
Quote from: MH on November 12, 2017, 10:48:32 am
I feel like we're in slippery slope territory.  I didn't think GW Bush was great, but I thought people calling him Hitler was absolutely ridiculous, and him getting personally blamed for 9/11 was also ridiculous. 

I don't think Trump is Hitler either.  Some do.  But we are clearly getting more divisive, it seems like a downward trend.  Right to be wrong, or a culture change or large unifying event might reverse this.

Two huge events ?

9/11 and the Lehman Bros crash.  Very divided country as a result of it.
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Re: Does America Still Believe in the Right to be Wrong ?
« Reply #18 on: November 12, 2017, 11:59:39 am »
Quote from: Blueblood on November 12, 2017, 11:53:21 am
9/11 and the Lehman Bros crash.  Very divided country as a result of it.

9/11 united the US for awhile.  The 2008 crash is in the past.  While I agree that disunity is a thing, it's a loooong drawn out decline.
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Re: Does America Still Believe in the Right to be Wrong ?
« Reply #19 on: November 12, 2017, 12:02:30 pm »
Quote from: MH on November 12, 2017, 11:59:39 am
9/11 united the US for awhile.  The 2008 crash is in the past.  While I agree that disunity is a thing, it's a loooong drawn out decline.

The way bush handled it by having a trillion dollar war with nothing to show for it except soldiers getting killed upset a lot of people and rightfully so. 
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Re: Does America Still Believe in the Right to be Wrong ?
« Reply #20 on: November 12, 2017, 12:16:36 pm »
Quote from: Blueblood on November 12, 2017, 12:02:30 pm
The way bush handled it by having a trillion dollar war with nothing to show for it except soldiers getting killed upset a lot of people and rightfully so.

Bush "handled it" by invading Afghanistan and toppling the government, which was a popular move at the time.  After that, we're back to the long decline and the political drift downward. 

Right to be wrong definitely would have helped the dialogue at GulfWarTwo.
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