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Offline Poonlight Graham

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« Reply #15 on: July 16, 2019, 07:08:25 pm »
I do realize that some people may want things like free college, but its certainly not universal, and right now the majority oppose it (52% oppose, 45% support.)

Frankly, I think Canada has managed to strike the right balance... university/college isn't completely free, but much of the cost is highly subsidized, and significant student loans are provided, so college/university should be obtainable by almost anyone. (We actually have more post-secondary enrollment/graduates per capita than Denmark or Norway, both countries with free post-secondary tuition.)

I agree, Canada seems to have a good balance.

In the US, community college (which Bernie et al. want to be free) isn't even that expensive).  Tuition is a few thousand dollars.  It's the big ivy league colleges that are ridiculously expensive, and reinforces the inequality.
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« Reply #16 on: July 22, 2019, 03:01:48 pm »
They're idealistic dreamers.  The fact that a lot of US voters don't even want those things makes it even stranger they would say those things.
Which is a problem, since promising things that people don't want can lead to accusations of 'throwing money away' or 'tax and spend'.

I do realize that some people may want things like free college, but its certainly not universal, and right now the majority oppose it (52% oppose, 45% support.)

Frankly, I think Canada has managed to strike the right balance... university/college isn't completely free, but much of the cost is highly subsidized, and significant student loans are provided, so college/university should be obtainable by almost anyone. (We actually have more post-secondary enrollment/graduates per capita than Denmark or Norway, both countries with free post-secondary tuition.)

I think we need to strike a better balance with cheaper university and interest-free loans... 

The American system is highly subsidized as well...  it's just that it means more profit for private colleges, rather than translating into cheaper tuition.  It's a pretty gross system.

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« Reply #17 on: July 22, 2019, 08:36:47 pm »
Sme of the high costs of tuition in U.S. universities is the result of the cost of administration. There was an article about this in the NYT and I'm damned if I can find it. If I do, I'll give you all the link.
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« Reply #18 on: July 24, 2019, 11:53:14 am »
It's fascinating that this long drawn out process helps the incumbent so much. It's still almost a year until the Dems will have a candidate and all the infighting helps Trump.

They should just have a convention a year out and have the candidate as a "sort of" opposition leader.

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« Reply #19 on: July 24, 2019, 12:05:18 pm »
It's fascinating that this long drawn out process helps the incumbent so much. It's still almost a year until the Dems will have a candidate and all the infighting helps Trump.

always in perpetual campaign mode! And yet little attention is actually given to policy - unless things change I expect the lame-assed media will help to, once again, elect Trump! 4 more years!


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« Reply #20 on: August 01, 2019, 02:08:39 pm »
Anyone watch the CNN debates from this week?
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« Reply #21 on: August 01, 2019, 02:23:49 pm »
Anyone watch the CNN debates from this week?

Yep. I have my money on a Biden/Warren team.

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« Reply #22 on: August 02, 2019, 05:57:38 pm »
Watched the first CNN debate.  Bernie Sanders and Marianne Williamson impressed me the most.  Warren was 3rd, she did well, though she seemed a bit soft on foreign policy.  Buttigieg was flat, Beto is a knob and i've never liked him.

I'll watch the 2nd debate when i get some time.
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« Reply #23 on: August 06, 2019, 07:43:22 am »
Yep. I have my money on a Biden/Warren team.

Well, sure but... front runners never team up anymore.  I think maybe Johnson+JFK was the last one ?

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« Reply #24 on: August 18, 2019, 02:49:39 pm »
Or Bush I and Reagan, in 1980.
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« Reply #25 on: August 18, 2019, 03:02:18 pm »
Well, sure but... front runners never team up anymore.  I think maybe Johnson+JFK was the last one ?

What I like about this match up is Biden has the experience around the White House and Warren has the brains. Warren specialized in bankruptcy law, and the way Trump is handling things they made need expertise in that area. Too bad they both weren't a bit younger.

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« Reply #26 on: August 25, 2019, 08:51:47 am »
What I like about this match up is Biden has the experience around the White House and Warren has the brains. Warren specialized in bankruptcy law, and the way Trump is handling things they made need expertise in that area. Too bad they both weren't a bit younger.

How about Biden puts Warren at the table for policy making ?  He seems to be the most reluctant Presidential candidate ever, anyhow.  How about Biden resigns after the mid-terms ? 

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« Reply #27 on: September 22, 2019, 03:51:55 pm »
Warren has that silly idea of a "wealth tax".
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« Reply #28 on: September 22, 2019, 07:31:46 pm »
Warren has that silly idea of a "wealth tax".

Well, it might be silly but will it even pass ?

And as a reaction to a period of over-capitulation to the wealthy and powerful is it not understandable, politically ?

And is it sillier than increasing spending and blowing the deficit wide open in good times ?

And isn't the entire American political economy a ridiculous waste of resources and squandering of opportunity ?

Doesn't it seem petty to decry a wealth tax in a system with so many problems, not to mention barriers to prosperity for the poor ?

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« Reply #29 on: September 22, 2019, 10:03:22 pm »
A wealth tax isn't a silly idea.

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