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Offline Poonlight Graham

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Democrat debates
« on: June 28, 2019, 10:45:22 am »
Anybody watch these debates this week?  Impressions of any candidates?

-I never heard Buttigieg speak before, he was somewhat impressive. Was reasonable and to the point.
-Joe Biden did poorly, they really exposed his weaknesses.
-Kamala Harris was a savage as usual, but literally every time she talks she seems really angry. She'll destroy Trump in the debates which would be fun to watch but does the world need more anger like that in a POTUS?
- Beto O'Rourke spoke almost nothing but vague rehearsed talking points, and him speaking spanish all the time made me roll my eyes. The voters are not latin migrants.
- Elizabeth Warren was ok, but she seems more idealistic sometimes than practical.
- Bernie Sanders was good ol' Bernie in his usual form.
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Re: Democrat debates
« Reply #1 on: June 28, 2019, 11:29:13 am »
-Joe Biden did poorly, they really exposed his weaknesses.
Which can be good or bad... if he ends up becoming the nominee despite these problems, the GOP now can treat him as 'damaged goods'. (But then, that's the nature of U.S. primary politics.)
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-Kamala Harris was a savage as usual, but literally every time she talks she seems really angry. She'll destroy Trump in the debates which would be fun to watch but does the world need more anger like that in a POTUS?
I think there is a difference between rational arguments put forward in a forceful manor (a la Harris) and the type of illogical rantings that Trump engages in.

I do have concerns that should she become the Democratic nominee that her 'anger' will be seen as being 'oh, just a shrill woman'.
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- Elizabeth Warren was ok, but she seems more idealistic sometimes than practical.
The whole 'I will ban private health care' would be extremely problematic for her.

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Re: Democrat debates
« Reply #2 on: June 28, 2019, 12:49:45 pm »
Anybody watch these debates this week?  Impressions of any candidates?

I only caught some of the excerpts, but I would say Harris/Buttigieg would be a good ticket, or perhaps Harris/Biden.

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« Reply #3 on: June 28, 2019, 12:58:16 pm »
I only caught some of the excerpts, but I would say Harris/Buttigieg would be a good ticket, or perhaps Harris/Biden.

We shall see shortly how Biden does at the gay pride parade in Chicago after the tussle with Harris yesterday.

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« Reply #4 on: June 29, 2019, 07:59:30 pm »
Which can be good or bad... if he ends up becoming the nominee despite these problems, the GOP now can treat him as 'damaged goods'. (But then, that's the nature of U.S. primary politics.)

Biden is the front runner because he's by far the most recognizable name, and has a strong association to Obama.  But IMO the guy just isn't a great politician.  He lost to Obama and Clinton in the primaries in 2008 for a reason, they just out-classed him as candidates. He didn't seem as up on the issues as many of the other candidates, he didn't seem to have as strong of a vision as the other or even the same hunger for it, that was just my impressions from the debate.  He didn't seem polished, meanwhile the others all looked very eager and prepared to win.

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I do have concerns that should she become the Democratic nominee that her 'anger' will be seen as being 'oh, just a shrill woman'.

The thing is though is that anger is all i've ever seen from Harris.  I loved her in her examination of Kavanaugh as did everyone else, and she was angry as she should have been.  But every answer in the debates it's like she was PO'd.  I can listen to that for certain answers but i can't imagine voters want to listen to a POTUS complain with fury all of the time.  She's one tough cookie which i love but she needs a more measured side too, a side that is more positive & hopeful.

So far Buttigeig is my favorite.  He's a mayor, he graduated from Harvard and Oxford as a Rhode Scholar.  He served in the military as a navy reserve and served 7 months in Afghanistan.  He's also the first openly gay POTUS candidate, not sure how they would go over in the general election. He's only 37 y/o but talks like he's 57.
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Re: Democrat debates
« Reply #5 on: June 30, 2019, 06:57:55 am »
Warren has plans but at this point I need 20 years of liberal governments to trust the USA.

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« Reply #6 on: June 30, 2019, 11:00:09 pm »
What makes you think you could trust the USA with 20 years of liberal governments any more than the normal "coin toss" American governments?

I think Buttegieg will be criticized for being "barely legal" (he's two years over the minimum for the Presidency). Biden's old and Harris I read about destroying him in the debates over issues of race.
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« Reply #7 on: July 01, 2019, 05:05:12 am »
I don't know.  20 years seems like a strong number.  40 years would be waiting too long and 10 not enough.

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« Reply #8 on: July 02, 2019, 01:23:29 pm »
What makes you think you could trust the USA with 20 years of liberal governments any more than the normal "coin toss" American governments?
I think the problem is that at this point the Republicans have shed any decency or reliability they may have had. (Although Trump may be the most obvious example of this, their 'dirty tricks' have gone back over a decade, thanks in part to people like the Turtle. And the fact that Trump continues to enjoy significant support among the republicans suggests that whatever failings led to his election in the first place still exist.

2 decades ago, it would have been fine to just 'toss a coin'. After all, presidents like Bush Sr. seemed to be relatively decent guys. But its no longer that way. They appear to be scumbags, through and through. Until the republicans spend at least a generation in the political wilderness, they will not have learned their lesson, and we should not trust them at all.

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Re: Democrat debates
« Reply #9 on: July 02, 2019, 01:49:18 pm »
I think Buttegieg will be criticized for being "barely legal" (he's two years over the minimum for the Presidency).

Yes Buttigieg is already being criticized for his age (37), but his advantage is he looks and speaks like someone older.

Biden has taken a beating in post-debate polls, as i said he had a really bad showing, not even including his face-off with Harris.  Warren and Harris got a good bump in polls.

Warren and Bernie seem like the nicest people on the face of the planet.
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« Reply #10 on: July 03, 2019, 11:27:48 am »
Yes Buttigieg is already being criticized for his age (37), but his advantage is he looks and speaks like someone older.

Biden has taken a beating in post-debate polls, as i said he had a really bad showing, not even including his face-off with Harris.  Warren and Harris got a good bump in polls.

Warren and Bernie seem like the nicest people on the face of the planet.

Maybe compared to Trump...

But Warren and Sanders constantly promise things they know they won't be able to, and therefore won't have to, deliver; such as free university.
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« Reply #11 on: July 03, 2019, 12:52:04 pm »
Maybe compared to Trump...

But Warren and Sanders constantly promise things they know they won't be able to, and therefore won't have to, deliver; such as free university.

They're idealistic dreamers.  The fact that a lot of US voters don't even want those things makes it even stranger they would say those things.
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« Reply #12 on: July 03, 2019, 02:44:12 pm »
But Warren and Sanders constantly promise things they know they won't be able to, and therefore won't have to, deliver; such as free university.

You mean like in Germany, one of the strongest economies there is.
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« Reply #13 on: July 03, 2019, 05:01:51 pm »
You mean like in Germany, one of the strongest economies there is.

His point was that the POTUS almost certainly can't deliver some of the things they promise.  It's not a comment on whether those things desirable or not.
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« Reply #14 on: July 08, 2019, 11:05:15 am »
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Maybe compared to Trump...

But Warren and Sanders constantly promise things they know they won't be able to, and therefore won't have to, deliver; such as free university.
They're idealistic dreamers.  The fact that a lot of US voters don't even want those things makes it even stranger they would say those things.
Which is a problem, since promising things that people don't want can lead to accusations of 'throwing money away' or 'tax and spend'.

I do realize that some people may want things like free college, but its certainly not universal, and right now the majority oppose it (52% oppose, 45% support.)

Frankly, I think Canada has managed to strike the right balance... university/college isn't completely free, but much of the cost is highly subsidized, and significant student loans are provided, so college/university should be obtainable by almost anyone. (We actually have more post-secondary enrollment/graduates per capita than Denmark or Norway, both countries with free post-secondary tuition.)