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« Reply #45 on: November 23, 2018, 02:44:54 pm »
Absolutely.  Their system is their own. 

There's still a bunch of lazy people out there wishing they had put down their smartphones and hauled their fat arses!

They'll forget before next time though.  Or maybe a new app will take their interest.

Their current system thwarts the will of the people. But the repubs like it that way.
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« Reply #46 on: November 23, 2018, 03:30:25 pm »
Their current system thwarts the will of the people. But the repubs like it that way.

They do now, because it works for them.  If Hillary had won it would be a wonderful system.
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« Reply #47 on: November 23, 2018, 03:34:38 pm »
They do now, because it works for them.  If Hillary had won it would be a wonderful system.

Um no, if Hillary had of won it be an honest system. She won by over 3 million votes. Get it... yet?
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« Reply #48 on: November 23, 2018, 03:38:10 pm »
Um no, if Hillary had of won it be an honest system. She won by over 3 million votes. Get it... yet?

Oh no, sorry, I meant if Hillary had won with the same votes as DT.

Unless you are a Republican.  In which case it would be thwarting the will of the people.
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« Reply #49 on: November 23, 2018, 03:55:05 pm »
Oh no, sorry, I meant if Hillary had won with the same votes as DT.

Unless you are a Republican.  In which case it would be thwarting the will of the people.

I'll try and make it simple. A proper election should be won by whoever gets the majority of the votes.
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« Reply #50 on: November 23, 2018, 04:12:36 pm »
I'll try and make it simple. A proper election should be won by whoever gets the majority of the votes.

Of course. 

That has nothing to do with my point, which is that an election system that supplies a win to any party will be proper until it no longer does.  Then it will not be proper.  Regardless of party.
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« Reply #51 on: November 23, 2018, 04:22:56 pm »
Of course. 

That has nothing to do with my point, which is that an election system that supplies a win to any party will be proper until it no longer does.  Then it will not be proper.  Regardless of party.

Psst, there's more than one party.
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Re: Democrat 2020 presidential nominee?
« Reply #52 on: November 23, 2018, 04:24:00 pm »
Psst, there's more than one party.

I know.  I was talking about all of them.
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« Reply #53 on: November 23, 2018, 04:28:53 pm »
I know.  I was talking about all of them.

Well so far it's the repubs who have done the gerrymandering. Perhaps some of the other party's should strive to return the "one man, one vote" concept.

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« Reply #54 on: November 23, 2018, 04:37:42 pm »
Well so far it's the repubs who have done the gerrymandering. Perhaps some of the other party's should strive to return the "one man, one vote" concept.

Gerrymandering is a different issue.  We might actually have an extremely rare agreement there.
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Re: Democrat 2020 presidential nominee?
« Reply #55 on: November 23, 2018, 06:23:27 pm »
I'll try and make it simple. A proper election should be won by whoever gets the majority of the votes.


Maybe but it doesn't always work that way even in our system. It depends on where the votes are. A few years back, Campbell's BC Liberals lost an election with a small majority of the popular vote.
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« Reply #56 on: November 23, 2018, 07:56:27 pm »

Maybe but it doesn't always work that way even in our system. It depends on where the votes are. A few years back, Campbell's BC Liberals lost an election with a small majority of the popular vote.

Oh sure it does happen here, but nowhere near to the extremes it does south of the border. The repubs were/are very effective at re drawing borders to suit themselves.

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« Reply #57 on: December 31, 2018, 09:04:50 pm »
It looks like Elizabeth Warren is a go:

https://www.npr.org/2018/12/31/677821948/elizabeth-warren-launches-exploratory-bid-for-president-in-2020


She first gained public notice as one of the people going after big banks after the financial collapse of 2007, and she was one of the principle architects of the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau, which was created during the Obama administration to be a watchdog over predatory and deceptive lending by banks and others.  She then ran for Senator, which she won in 2012 and was re-elected again this year.

Her focus has been very much on financial and economic issues to this point in her career. She's law professor who has taught at Harvard among other places, and is considered a leading expert in commercial law and bankruptcy law.

The attack on Warren, other than the "Fauxcahontas" nonsense, will be that she's a socialist. That might not be a fair assessment of her views.

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The senator does support some plans to have the federal government take over certain industries, and she has signed on as a sponsor of a bill from Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) to federalize national health insurance.

But of the key policies Warren is championing, most aim to use the federal government’s power to restructure markets, rather than have the federal government take them over directly. These policies reflect her perspective that a handful of concentrated economic interests have come to unfairly dominate certain sectors and that federal intervention can reform markets to make them fairer by opening them up to greater competition.

Her housing bill, for instance, includes trying to repeal restrictive local zoning codes rather than building new federally owned housing, as some on the left have proposed.

Warren has focused on breaking up what she sees as monopolies in the technology sector and other industries through new antitrust enforcement, and she has accused large technology companies of anti-competitive behavior.


https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2018/12/31/warrens-agenda-break-up-monopolies-give-workers-control-over-corporations-fight-big-pharma/



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Re: Democrat 2020 presidential nominee?
« Reply #58 on: January 24, 2019, 12:51:14 pm »
Well so far it's the repubs who have done the gerrymandering. Perhaps some of the other party's should strive to return the "one man, one vote" concept.

There are states that do pro-Democratic gerrymandering, or other devious devices to push out the opposition, or make a minority an even smaller minority. Like the one I live in. Our sixth congressional district was just ruled unconstitutional by the Supreme Court.

If the GOP seems to be doing it the most, the situation could change, and in the future, the Democrats could be doing the most of it. A gerry-go-round.

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Re: Democrat 2020 presidential nominee?
« Reply #59 on: January 24, 2019, 12:54:41 pm »
I'll try and make it simple. A proper election should be won by whoever gets the majority of the votes.

Of course, nobody got a majority of votes. By definition that's >50% of the votes, not just the most votes (which is a PLURality).
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