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Offline Gorgeous Graham

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Re: Democrat 2020 presidential nominee?
« Reply #30 on: November 22, 2018, 04:27:10 pm »
If you want the democrats to win, choose a moderate democrat that may even share a few mild conservative views.  He'll capture all the usual democrat votes, get a lot of moderate swing votes, and might even get some GOP votes that are tired of Trump.

Choose a Bernie Sanders-type and you'd get the usual democrat votes, a bump in college kids who don't vote or vote Democrat anyways, but alienate a lot of the moderate swing voters and have zero chance at capturing anyone right-of-centre.

Crazy thought, but you'd think a POTUS would want to appeal to and represent the most Americans as possible.
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Re: Democrat 2020 presidential nominee?
« Reply #31 on: November 22, 2018, 05:10:09 pm »
Crazy thought, but you'd think a POTUS would want to appeal to and represent the most Americans as possible.

Yet Trump won.

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Re: Democrat 2020 presidential nominee?
« Reply #32 on: November 22, 2018, 05:56:19 pm »
They've screwed things up? How? We are at the pinnacle of human achievement living in the wealthiest, freeist society in the history of the world.



21 trillion in debt and digging even faster, declining education standards, life expectancy and infant mortality that doesn't reflect how much they spend on healthcare, lots of improvements to be made.
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Re: Democrat 2020 presidential nominee?
« Reply #33 on: November 22, 2018, 06:56:45 pm »
21 trillion in debt and digging even faster, declining education standards, life expectancy and infant mortality that doesn't reflect how much they spend on healthcare, lots of improvements to be made.


There is nothing wrong with the system there which could not be remedied with proper changes to the tax system, some modest gun control and a national medicare program.
But the real problem is a lack of money control going into politics. I don't know if you've noticed, but the female candidates who are pushed forward by the money men are every bit as wacko as the men, and like the men their only real agenda is cutting taxes and government. Because that's what their backers are paying them for.
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Re: Democrat 2020 presidential nominee?
« Reply #34 on: November 22, 2018, 08:23:51 pm »
Yet Trump won.

Yes.  He represents about half of Americans though.  And things aren't working out the greatest.
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Re: Democrat 2020 presidential nominee?
« Reply #35 on: November 23, 2018, 09:39:02 am »
Yes, because putting up a trangender, or gay, woman, Muslim, etc. is all about virtue signaling. I am not a bigot, an old white straight male however is the only acceptable choice that doesn't represent virtual signaling.
But an old, white male is virtue signalling. Especially if he's a devout Christian, nationalist, who is anti-immigration. This is all "virtue" signalling.

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Re: Democrat 2020 presidential nominee?
« Reply #36 on: November 23, 2018, 09:40:22 am »
Yes.  He represents about half of Americans though.  And things aren't working out the greatest.
No he doesn't. He represents less than half of the people who voted, which is about half of those eligible to vote and even less of the population as a whole. Even then, there's enough people who regret voting for him that he doesn't even represent that anymore. All totaled he probably represents about 20% of the population or less at this point.

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Re: Democrat 2020 presidential nominee?
« Reply #37 on: November 23, 2018, 11:58:08 am »
Yes, because putting up a trangender, or gay, woman, Muslim, etc. is all about virtue signaling.

All too often, yes. It shouldn't be that way. But unfortunately, progressives are brainless assholes.


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I am not a bigot, an old white straight male however is the only acceptable choice that doesn't represent virtual signaling.

The only acceptable choice would be the best person for the job. In which case you don't need things like affirmative action and quotas.
Those are only necessary to push up identity group members who would not otherwise succeed on merit.

In this case, the job is getting elected and then running the country. The best person to get elected is a white male, ex-military type.
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Re: Democrat 2020 presidential nominee?
« Reply #38 on: November 23, 2018, 12:23:00 pm »
No he doesn't. He represents less than half of the people who voted, which is about half of those eligible to vote and even less of the population as a whole.
I'm always cautious when people use the argument about "not everyone who was eligible voted". True, many people sat out the election so can't be counted as 'Trump voters". But, those people could have gone to the polls and voted for Clinton. (Even if they were not in a swing state, voting as a symbolic "I don't approve of Trump" gesture would have some value.)

Instead, those non-voters looked at Trump, decided "Err... a bigoted con-artist is not reprehensible enough so I won't bother going to the polls". Not voting for Trump doesn't automatically mean you don't like Trump.

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Even then, there's enough people who regret voting for him that he doesn't even represent that anymore. All totaled he probably represents about 20% of the population or less at this point.
Trump's current approval rating sits at approximately 43%, and has hovered around that level since shortly after his election. This is after the Stormy Daniels revelations. This is after he dropped out of a military memorial because of rain. This is after the Trump administration had children locked in cages. This is after several high-profile firings and arrests of Trump associates.

Granted, 43% is significantly less than half, but its still a large enough minority of voters for people to say "What is wrong with the U.S. population?"


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Re: Democrat 2020 presidential nominee?
« Reply #39 on: November 23, 2018, 12:31:05 pm »
I'm always cautious when people use the argument about "not everyone who was eligible voted". True, many people sat out the election so can't be counted as 'Trump voters". But, those people could have gone to the polls and voted for Clinton. (Even if they were not in a swing state, voting as a symbolic "I don't approve of Trump" gesture would have some value.)

Instead, those non-voters looked at Trump, decided "Err... a bigoted con-artist is not reprehensible enough so I won't bother going to the polls". Not voting for Trump doesn't automatically mean you don't like Trump.
Trump's current approval rating sits at approximately 43%, and has hovered around that level since shortly after his election. This is after the Stormy Daniels revelations. This is after he dropped out of a military memorial because of rain. This is after the Trump administration had children locked in cages. This is after several high-profile firings and arrests of Trump associates.

Granted, 43% is significantly less than half, but its still a large enough minority of voters for people to say "What is wrong with the U.S. population?"

All that tells you a lot about the "character" of his base.

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Re: Democrat 2020 presidential nominee?
« Reply #40 on: November 23, 2018, 12:52:49 pm »
All that tells you a lot about the "character" of his base.

It tells you a lot about the character of those who couldn't be bothered voting, too.
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Re: Democrat 2020 presidential nominee?
« Reply #41 on: November 23, 2018, 01:04:09 pm »
It tells you a lot about the character of those who couldn't be bothered voting, too.

Yeah it tells you most people thought he was such a scumbag he didn't have a hope in hell in any case. And then there is the fact that the most who did vote, did not vote for him.

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Re: Democrat 2020 presidential nominee?
« Reply #42 on: November 23, 2018, 01:20:28 pm »
Yeah it tells you most people thought he was such a scumbag he didn't have a hope in hell in any case. And then there is the fact that the most who did vote, did not vote for him.

Lazy.  I was convinced of that too, but I would still have voted for a donkey if it was all they had to oppose him.
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Re: Democrat 2020 presidential nominee?
« Reply #43 on: November 23, 2018, 01:27:02 pm »
Lazy.  I was convinced of that too, but I would still have voted for a donkey if it was all they had to oppose him.

As I've already pointed out, most people who did vote, opposed him. Heard of a thing called the Electoral College have you?

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Re: Democrat 2020 presidential nominee?
« Reply #44 on: November 23, 2018, 01:39:52 pm »
As I've already pointed out, most people who did vote, opposed him. Heard of a thing called the Electoral College have you?

Absolutely.  Their system is their own. 

There's still a bunch of lazy people out there wishing they had put down their smartphones and hauled their fat arses!

They'll forget before next time though.  Or maybe a new app will take their interest.
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