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Offline kimmy

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Democrat 2020 presidential nominee?
« on: November 21, 2018, 09:43:49 am »
One name to watch-- the name to watch, according to this article-- is Beto O'Rourke.

Beto tried to take Ted Cruz' senate seat in the past election. O'Rourke fell short, 51% to 49%.  So why is a guy who didn't even win his senate race viewed as such a contender?  Well, it's not that he lost, it's how he lost.

Texas Democrats have lost the past several senate races by double-digit margins, so coming within 2% is pretty impressive. But more than that, it's the voter turnout that O'Rourke generated.  He received over 4 million votes... in the past several elections, Texas Democrat senate candidates get 3 million votes in general election years and under 2 million votes in midterm election years.  So getting 4 million votes in a midterm election year is notable. Turnout was high everywhere this year, but not to that degree. To some extent the high turnout in Texas is a result of O'Rourke.  And turnout generated by O'Rourke translated into results for "down ticket" candidates, as high Democrat turnout resulted in seats being flipped in the House of Represenatives and at the state level as well.

So the thinking is, if O'Rourke can do this well in Texas, imagine how well he could do nationally.

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/11/19/beto-orourke-2020-democratic-primary-995353

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Re: Democrat 2020 presidential nominee?
« Reply #1 on: November 21, 2018, 11:05:50 am »
One name to watch-- the name to watch, according to this article-- is Beto O'Rourke.

Beto tried to take Ted Cruz' senate seat in the past election. O'Rourke fell short, 51% to 49%.  So why is a guy who didn't even win his senate race viewed as such a contender?  Well, it's not that he lost, it's how he lost.
I agree that O'Rourke did an impressive job in turning what is normally an easy win for the republicans in conservative Texas into a competitive race. However, I would be quite hesitant in giving him a presidential run just yet....

Cruz is not exactly a likable politician, and while Trump has a higher approval rating in Texas than in the rest of the country, he doesn't have majority support. Plus, the Democrats spent a whole lot of money trying to win the seat.

Of course, a Democrat from a traditionally red state might have an advantage in a presidential election, since they might be able to pick up some electoral college votes that would normally be a hammerlock for the republicans.

https://www.star-telegram.com/news/state/texas/article218605715.html

Personally I rather like Cory Booker... he's got senate experience (including holding positions on the high profile foreign affairs and judicial committees), he's seen as a political moderate (in favor of things like abortion and gay rights, but also has pro-business policies, especially in the technology area.)

The only problem with him is that he isn't married. While I don't think that would actually be a problem when running the country, I can see the republicans resorting to smear tactics. "He's not married! Must be a pervert".

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« Reply #2 on: November 21, 2018, 11:28:55 am »
Being married must carry a lot of weight down there then since Trump is self admitted pervert and he's in the WH.

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« Reply #3 on: November 21, 2018, 11:36:11 am »
Being married must carry a lot of weight down there then since Trump is self admitted pervert and he's in the WH.
Don't underestimate the ability of Republicans (and their evangelican christian backers) to engage in the most blatant possible hypocrisy. "Well, Trump had an affair, but at least he stayed married. Unlike that pervert Booker. He's not married so he must be a super-pervert. I bet he's gay."

Again, I'm not saying it is an accurate assessment of his life or abilities. I'm just saying that's how the republicans will likely play it out.

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« Reply #4 on: November 21, 2018, 11:46:55 am »
Don't underestimate the ability of Republicans (and their evangelican christian backers) to engage in the most blatant possible hypocrisy. "Well, Trump had an affair, but at least he stayed married. Unlike that pervert Booker. He's not married so he must be a super-pervert. I bet he's gay."

Again, I'm not saying it is an accurate assessment of his life or abilities. I'm just saying that's how the republicans will likely play it out.

Yeah Trump's base seem to be still standing fully behind him no matter the nonsense he gets up to or the lies he tells so I guess repubs must enjoy eating "pablum". The dems need to find the right person, and soon. 

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« Reply #5 on: November 21, 2018, 12:08:54 pm »
A Biden/ORourke ticket has been mentioned. Also, a woman on the ticket could be a good plan but which one?
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« Reply #6 on: November 21, 2018, 12:12:10 pm »
A Biden/ORourke ticket has been mentioned. Also, a woman on the ticket could be a good plan but which one?

Not Hillary!

I'm thinking Elizabeth Warrwn might be a good bet.
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« Reply #7 on: November 21, 2018, 12:27:10 pm »
Not Hillary but there are several possibilities. Warren, Gilbrand, Harris, Abrams to name a few and for which position, prez or vice?
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« Reply #8 on: November 21, 2018, 02:10:07 pm »
A Biden/ORourke ticket has been mentioned. Also, a woman on the ticket could be a good plan but which one?
While I think Biden might be a good president, I have a couple of concerns...

1) his age (He's in his 70s now, and will be in his 80s by the end of his first term, if he wins)
2) he may be seen as too much of an "establishment" person.

In my opinion, the Democrats need to find a sweet spot... enough government experience to not mess up when they are in office, but not so much so that they will be seen as "fresh" (and have minimal skeletons in the closet) during an election

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« Reply #9 on: November 21, 2018, 02:25:36 pm »
A Biden/ORourke ticket has been mentioned. Also, a woman on the ticket could be a good plan but which one?

No, it would be a dumb plan.
What is with this idea of putting people up there on the basis of their identity group? And if you're going to do it at least do it in a way which benefits you.
A woman would excite mostly one segment of the population - college educated women. And they are already heavily incentivized to vote Democrat. If you want to win the damn thing you want to select someone who will appeal to groups who are not already firmly in your corner.
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« Reply #10 on: November 21, 2018, 02:28:29 pm »
No, it would be a dumb plan.
What is with this idea of putting people up there on the basis of their identity group?

Maybe because a growing portion of the population are growing tired of boring, racist, old dumb guys running things into the ground.
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« Reply #11 on: November 21, 2018, 03:24:30 pm »
No, it would be a dumb plan.
What is with this idea of putting people up there on the basis of their identity group? And if you're going to do it at least do it in a way which benefits you.
A woman would excite mostly one segment of the population - college educated women. And they are already heavily incentivized to vote Democrat. If you want to win the damn thing you want to select someone who will appeal to groups who are not already firmly in your corner.

I disagree, there are some very qualified women. Stacey Abrams has ten years of political experience in the Georgia legislature, was minority house leader and is a Yale law graduate with an extensive legal career. Basically you are saying they should be disqualified because they can't win because they are women.
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« Reply #12 on: November 21, 2018, 06:05:21 pm »
Maybe because a growing portion of the population are growing tired of boring, racist, old dumb guys running things into the ground.

As opposed to the thriving democracies and bastions of free thought which the non-white leaders of the world have produced, you mean?
There are virtually no non-white countries which aren't shitholes. And those few that are livable are mostly due to the influence of western nations under 'boring, racist dumb white guys'.


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« Reply #13 on: November 21, 2018, 06:07:15 pm »
I disagree, there are some very qualified women. Stacey Abrams has ten years of political experience in the Georgia legislature, was minority house leader and is a Yale law graduate with an extensive legal career. Basically you are saying they should be disqualified because they can't win because they are women.

No. Basically you are saying we should find a woman. How is that advantageous in any way, shape or form unless you're looking for sex?
Don't name me A woman and say "well, she seems capable". I could do the same with dozens of men.
What's wrong with finding the PERSON who is most likely to win and most likely to be able to govern effectively?


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« Reply #14 on: November 21, 2018, 06:18:24 pm »
As opposed to the thriving democracies and bastions of free thought which the non-white leaders of the world have produced, you mean?
There are virtually no non-white countries which aren't shitholes. And those few that are livable are mostly due to the influence of western nations under 'boring, racist dumb white guys'.

I see you like to use Trump lingo to try and make your case, which of course is predictable. A lot of non white countries that are what you and Donny refer to as shitholes remain so because boring ,racist dumb white guys have moved in, stolen the resources, and then **** off. Apparently you haven't traveled far from your block.