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Offline Michael Hardner

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Re: Cultural Marxism
« Reply #30 on: October 13, 2017, 02:57:01 pm »
Think of it this way....what if an employer or co-worker constantly called you an "it" or better yet, your child?

Not relevant.  I'm focusing on Peterson's complaint: that government is forcing you to USE a word, not preventing use. 

I think it's bringing too much legislation into common life.  People should be able to work these things out.  But I'm open to hearing more on this.

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« Reply #31 on: October 13, 2017, 11:01:24 pm »
Think of it this way....what if an employer or co-worker constantly called you an "it" or better yet, your child?

Funny thing, my daughter has a friend who is gender confused and "she" was insisting on being called "it" or "they".  Sometimes "they" worked into a sentance well, but It was quite awkward to talk to my daughters about their friend and call her "it".

"How are "they" doing" is fine...but, "what is "it" doing tonight" seems weird. 

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« Reply #32 on: October 14, 2017, 02:14:34 pm »
Funny thing, my daughter has a friend who is gender confused and "she" was insisting on being called "it" or "they".  Sometimes "they" worked into a sentance well, but It was quite awkward to talk to my daughters about their friend and call her "it".

"How are "they" doing" is fine...but, "what is "it" doing tonight" seems weird.

One other argument Peterson makes is the use of the word 'they' to describe the singular when it is really meaning the plural. So we have a situation where one is forced to use the pronouns and to actually break the English language by using words incorrectly.

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« Reply #33 on: October 14, 2017, 08:55:27 pm »
One other argument Peterson makes is the use of the word 'they' to describe the singular when it is really meaning the plural. So we have a situation where one is forced to use the pronouns and to actually break the English language by using words incorrectly.
They has been used as a gender non-specific pronoun for a long time. It’s convention whether he agrees with it or not.

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« Reply #34 on: October 15, 2017, 12:57:08 am »
One other argument Peterson makes is the use of the word 'they' to describe the singular when it is really meaning the plural. So we have a situation where one is forced to use the pronouns and to actually break the English language by using words incorrectly.

   Peterson is out to lunch. the legislation in now way does what he says it does.  http://www.parl.ca/DocumentViewer/en/42-1/bill/C-16/royal-assent
All it does is insert the words "gender identity or expression" into the Human Rights Act and Criminal code.   I expect he fears he is in big trouble now.
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Re: Cultural Marxism
« Reply #35 on: October 15, 2017, 07:54:34 am »
They has been used as a gender non-specific pronoun for a long time. It’s convention whether he agrees with it or not.

Yes, but not as long as all that and YIKES there's a lot written on the grammar of this.  'Use [of they] for specific known people"

I would argue that they're changing language to make this happen, but that that's ok.  I would also argue that most pairs of people will find a reasonable way to get through such things, that most reasonable people won't intentionally insult others, especially others in their workplaces and classrooms.  The disunity industry will put such conflicts on the front page, while most of us will adapt and move on.

It's not that big a deal.


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Re: Cultural Marxism
« Reply #36 on: October 15, 2017, 08:57:56 am »
Think of it this way....what if an employer or co-worker constantly called you an "it" or better yet, your child?

What if your employer called you a man when every chromosome and gene in your body is male?

"It" is a lot different than "they".
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Offline Michael Hardner

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Re: Cultural Marxism
« Reply #37 on: October 15, 2017, 09:59:14 am »
What if your employer called you a man when every chromosome and gene in your body is male?

Insults are not objective, they are subjective.  I can call you by your own name is a tone and manner that could insult you. 

And still - it's an edge case.  Why would somebody want to insult their employee?  If it happened, it could be brought to an HRC and the disunity industry will be happy.

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« Reply #38 on: October 15, 2017, 12:52:03 pm »
They has been used as a gender non-specific pronoun for a long time. It’s convention whether he agrees with it or not.

I sure don't agree with it.

https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/they
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singular third person plural Used to refer to a person of unspecified gender.
‘ask a friend if they could help’

It's how it is used.  I will not refer to a single with a pluralistic pronoun. Now asking a friend if they could help, meaning you have no idea who is going to help, so the they is collective and pluralistic. You can ask they, but you are more likely to get a he or she helping.

It's not used in the singular in the way you think.

Offline Michael Hardner

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Re: Cultural Marxism
« Reply #39 on: October 15, 2017, 02:09:55 pm »
It *is* used, but it's new.

As I got from my web search, this is:  'Use [of they] for specific known people'

I suppose one could just avoid using insulting terms without using 'they' also.   

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« Reply #40 on: October 15, 2017, 02:18:52 pm »
It *is* used, but it's new.

As I got from my web search, this is:  'Use [of they] for specific known people'

I suppose one could just avoid using insulting terms without using 'they' also.

It depends on how you feel, and who is being insulted, and why.  I'm going to continue to use "chief" and "master", and if I change an old hard drive I'll still use "master/slave". 

It doesn't bother me if people squawk about it.  But I would never use squaw.

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Re: Cultural Marxism
« Reply #41 on: October 15, 2017, 03:02:51 pm »
It doesn't bother me if people squawk about it. 

So you're answering the question from the other thread.  If somebody had a complaint, then from your point of view there would be nothing to be done about it.

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« Reply #42 on: October 15, 2017, 03:08:17 pm »
So you're answering the question from the other thread.  If somebody had a complaint, then from your point of view there would be nothing to be done about it.

By me.  Others can do what the want.  As they do.  What other thread?

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« Reply #43 on: October 15, 2017, 03:12:23 pm »
The other thread.

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« Reply #44 on: October 15, 2017, 03:36:13 pm »
The other thread.

Well that cleared that up.