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Concentration Camps - Wayfair Walkout?
« on: June 26, 2019, 12:34:16 am »
This Is What Solidarity Looks Like,' Says Ocasio-Cortez, as Wayfair Workers Vow Walkout to Protest Company for Working With Child Detention Centers

https://www.commondreams.org/news/2019/06/25/what-solidarity-looks-says-ocasio-cortez-wayfair-workers-vow-walkout-protest-company

"We believe that the current actions of the United States and their contractors at the southern border do not represent an ethical partnership Wayfair should choose to be a part of."

"This is what solidarity looks like," said Ocasio-Cortez, "a reminder that everyday people have real power, as long as we're brave enough to use it."

Isn't that something.


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« Reply #1 on: June 26, 2019, 05:45:24 am »
I started sharing all of the Concentration camp stories in my feed every day.

Everyone should do this - it appears to get results as I see the outrage has moved Congress to pass an emergency bill now.
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« Reply #2 on: June 27, 2019, 06:55:26 am »
I started sharing all of the Concentration camp stories in my feed every day.

Everyone should do this - it appears to get results as I see the outrage has moved Congress to pass an emergency bill now.
It's disgraceful.


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« Reply #3 on: June 27, 2019, 05:06:55 pm »
The migrants were living in shitty conditions, while the White House wanted more funding for the migrant detention centers and Democrats didn't want to pass such a bill because they didn't want to enable the White House with their migrant detention policies.

The Democrats just buckled to the pressure.  A bill was just passed by the Democrats to send billions in aid for funding of the migrant centers along the border.  Seems clear Trump wasn't going to budge, more kids were going to die and people suffer, what a disgraceful situation.

https://www.apnews.com/6fb698358db346e4b47183ffe0fef8b6

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WASHINGTON (AP) — The Democratic-controlled House voted Thursday to send President Donald Trump a bipartisan, Senate-drafted, $4.6 billion measure to care for migrant refugees detained at the southern border, capping a Washington skirmish in which die-hard liberals came out on the losing end in a battle with the White House, the GOP-held Senate and Democratic moderates.

The emergency legislation, required to ease overcrowded, often harsh conditions at U.S. holding facilities for migrants seeking asylum, mostly from Central American nations like Honduras and El Salvador, passed by a bipartisan 305-102 vote. Trump has indicated he’ll sign it into law.
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« Reply #4 on: June 27, 2019, 05:20:53 pm »
I'm wondering how the courts could allow such conditions to persist for so long in the detention centers.  They should have been deemed illegal if not properly funded and conditions were inhumane.
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« Reply #5 on: June 27, 2019, 05:48:37 pm »
I'm wondering how the courts could allow such conditions to persist for so long in the detention centers.  They should have been deemed illegal if not properly funded and conditions were inhumane.

Trump doesn't give a **** about courts. He deems himself to be above the law. By law, those kids are not to be kept longer than 72 hours yet some have been locked up for weeks. Of course he will try to blame it on the dems., or anybody else that he can think of.

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« Reply #6 on: June 27, 2019, 05:57:20 pm »
The Democrats just buckled to the pressure.  A bill was just passed by the Democrats to send billions in aid for funding of the migrant centers along the border.  Seems clear Trump wasn't going to budge, more kids were going to die and people suffer, what a disgraceful situation.
IOW, the blame for the conditions in the detention centers rests almost entirely with the democrats. I did not realize that. I guess these clowns really want to see Trump elected again.

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« Reply #7 on: June 27, 2019, 06:04:08 pm »
IOW, the blame for the conditions in the detention centers rests almost entirely with the democrats. I did not realize that. I guess these clowns really want to see Trump elected again.

Now that attempt at deflection even surpasses your usual. You're buying Trumps BS now? Sheesh!

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« Reply #8 on: June 27, 2019, 06:24:37 pm »
IOW, the blame for the conditions in the detention centers rests almost entirely with the democrats.

No you can't just blame it on the Dems.  On one hand the Dems didn't want to fund them, but Trump has also been keeping the migrants in these facilities under these conditions knowing he doesn't have the funding by congress to do so safely.  And where are the courts in all this?

This is a complete system failure on this issue by all 3 branches of the US government - the executive, legislature, and judiciary.  They are all designed to be a check on each other's authority so stuff like this doesn't happen.
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« Reply #9 on: June 27, 2019, 06:26:15 pm »
No you can't just blame it on the Dems.

I think you misread his post, I took it to be sarcasm.

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« Reply #10 on: June 27, 2019, 09:58:34 pm »
If it makes you feel all tingly inside to label them as “concentration camps”, go for it.

It makes not a lick of difference to call them that.  It’s just hyperbole.  Which makes for a weaker argument.
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« Reply #11 on: June 27, 2019, 10:18:37 pm »
If it makes you feel all tingly inside to label them as “concentration camps”, go for it.

It makes not a lick of difference to call them that.  It’s just hyperbole.  Which makes for a weaker argument.

I don't think 8 year olds locked in cages looking after 2 year olds makes anybody 'all tingly inside". Unless maybe it doesn't seem to bother you.
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« Reply #12 on: June 27, 2019, 10:25:36 pm »
No you can't just blame it on the Dems.  On one hand the Dems didn't want to fund them, but Trump has also been keeping the migrants in these facilities under these conditions knowing he doesn't have the funding by congress to do so safely.  And where are the courts in all this?
Well it is a thorny knot only made possible by the US system. The president has the authority to handle the migrants and the president decided he wanted to detain them. There is absolutely nothing wrong with this policy in principle because lots of countries (including Europe) detain asylum seekers while their cases are being assessed. But Trump has a problem because he did not have the money to provide proper facilities and congress refused to provide funding. So what should happen? Should Trump abandon his completely legitimate policy of detention and just let them go because congress does not provide funding? Should congress be expected to provide funding so Trump can ensure the detention centers have adequate resources?

Trump choose deal with the stalemate by running the centers without adequate funding and we see the results. If the courts did what you said they would be basically handing the dems a political victory which would outrage the many American voters who do not want to see asylum seeks automatically allowed to run free simply because the dems refused to cooperate. Of course, the courts could also order congress to provide funding which would outrage dems that want the centers closed. There is no simple path for court intervention.

Basically, in this story part of the blame lands on the dems who refused funding even after it was clear that Trump was going to detain people no matter what they did. They also deserve credit for belatedly realizing the error of the ways and fixing the problem.
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« Reply #13 on: June 27, 2019, 10:31:45 pm »
Well it is a thorny knot only made possible by the US system. The president has the authority to handle the migrants and the president decided he wanted to detain them. There is absolutely nothing wrong with this policy in principle because lots of countries (including Europe) detain asylum seekers while their cases are being assessed. But Trump has a problem because he did not have the money to provide proper facilities and congress refused to provide funding. So what should happen? Should Trump abandon his completely legitimate policy of detention and just let them go because congress does not provide funding? Should congress be expected to provide funding so Trump can ensure the detention centers have adequate resources?

Trump choose deal with the stalemate by running the centers without adequate funding and we see the results. If the courts did what you said they would be basically handing the dems a political victory which would outrage the many American voters who do not want to see asylum seeks automatically allowed to run free simply because the dems refused to cooperate. Of course, the courts could also order congress to provide funding which would outrage dems that want the centers closed. There is no simple path for court intervention.

Basically, in this story part of the blame lands on the dems who refused funding even after it was clear that Trump was going to detain people no matter what they did.

I can see you don't understand the concept that congress didn't want to provide funding for Trumps illegally run detention centers until the conditions got so bad they had no choice.
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« Reply #14 on: June 27, 2019, 10:40:42 pm »
I don't think 8 year olds locked in cages looking after 2 year olds makes anybody 'all tingly inside". Unless maybe it doesn't seem to bother you.

Only an idiot could read my post and come to the conclusion “this guy doesn’t care about 8 year olds looking after 2 year olds in cages”. 

But you seem to have comprehension issues a lot lately. 
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