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Offline Michael Hardner

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Boycott Israel ? No Hurricane Relief for You
« on: October 21, 2017, 09:12:59 am »
https://www.dallasnews.com/news/harvey/2017/10/19/get-harvey-relief-funds-residents-dickinson-must-vow-boycott-israel

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Applicants for Hurricane Harvey relief grants for the storm-battered city of Dickinson are asked as part of the terms of the agreement to not boycott Israel, a move the ACLU has called unconstitutional.
The city began accepting applications Oct. 11 for grants to rebuild homes or businesses damaged in the storm that made landfall Aug. 25. The grant money was donated to the Dickinson Harvey Relief Fund.
"By executing this Agreement below, the Applicant verifies that the Applicant: (1) does not boycott Israel; and (2) will not boycott Israel during the term of this Agreement," the form states.

What ?  What the ?  What the what ?

This is something new.  Somebody is inserting their politics into hurricane relief ?  No local media to cover this stuff, and it will permeate in the future.

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Re: Boycott Israel ? No Hurricane Relief for You
« Reply #1 on: October 21, 2017, 10:05:34 am »
https://www.dallasnews.com/news/harvey/2017/10/19/get-harvey-relief-funds-residents-dickinson-must-vow-boycott-israel

What ?  What the ?  What the what ?

This is something new.  Somebody is inserting their politics into hurricane relief ?  No local media to cover this stuff, and it will permeate in the future.

Seems odd right? But also seems very true.

I understand supporting Israel , but I would believe just like anything, it would be a businesses choice or personal choice to support them or not.  Who came up with this plan?  That kind of thing should NEVER be in a clause like this.


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Re: Boycott Israel ? No Hurricane Relief for You
« Reply #2 on: October 21, 2017, 10:18:34 am »
I don't get it.

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« Reply #3 on: October 21, 2017, 10:21:26 am »
I don't get it.

I am sure that questioning this kind of thing is anti-semetic./sarcasm.   I don't get it either. How deep does this go? Why is this clause in the agreement?

Israel first, Texas second?

What if it was any other nation mentioned in that clause?

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Re: Boycott Israel ? No Hurricane Relief for You
« Reply #4 on: October 21, 2017, 10:21:58 am »
Ha... I see you plucked this for MLW.  I took it here because I didn't see potential over there.

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Re: Boycott Israel ? No Hurricane Relief for You
« Reply #5 on: October 21, 2017, 10:25:34 am »
1. I am sure that questioning this kind of thing is anti-semetic./sarcasm.   
2. I don't get it either. How deep does this go? Why is this clause in the agreement?

 

1. Nope.  1st amendment stuff.
2. And how does it even find its way into this form ?  Heads need to roll.

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Re: Boycott Israel ? No Hurricane Relief for You
« Reply #6 on: October 21, 2017, 10:30:32 am »
I don't get it.

Why? The story explains it fairly clearly.

The language is reflective of a law passed in the last legislative session that prohibits all state agencies from contracting with or investing in companies that boycott Israel.  The law, which is similiar to laws in at least a dozen other states, took effect Sept. 1.

In other words, if you boycott Israel the state will boycott your company. I would suggest what happened here was that this town's attorney inserted a standard clause in there without really checking to see if the law applies to individuals as opposed to businesses.
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Re: Boycott Israel ? No Hurricane Relief for You
« Reply #7 on: October 21, 2017, 10:33:41 am »
1. Why? The story explains it fairly clearly.
 
2. In other words, if you boycott Israel the state will boycott your company. I would suggest what happened here was that this town's attorney inserted a standard clause in there without really checking to see if the law applies to individuals as opposed to businesses.
1. No.

2. Well YOU just put together something that's clear.  Makes sense to me.

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Re: Boycott Israel ? No Hurricane Relief for You
« Reply #8 on: October 21, 2017, 10:34:53 am »
Ha... I see you plucked this for MLW.  I took it here because I didn't see potential over there.

I see lots of potential. But not for the same reasons. You just did not want to feel the wrath of a specific poster. I was going to post that regardless because this is really messed up. But I could not post until today.

Anyways .... I am wondering how many other relief clauses are stating something similar.

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Re: Boycott Israel ? No Hurricane Relief for You
« Reply #9 on: October 21, 2017, 10:35:41 am »
You just did not want to feel the wrath of a specific poster. I was going to post that regardless because this is really messed up. But I could not post until today.

To be honest I just wanted to steer clear of all of it.

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« Reply #10 on: October 21, 2017, 10:43:13 am »
Why? The story explains it fairly clearly.

The language is reflective of a law passed in the last legislative session that prohibits all state agencies from contracting with or investing in companies that boycott Israel.  The law, which is similiar to laws in at least a dozen other states, took effect Sept. 1.

In other words, if you boycott Israel the state will boycott your company. I would suggest what happened here was that this town's attorney inserted a standard clause in there without really checking to see if the law applies to individuals as opposed to businesses.

This kind of thing should not exist in the free markets or for the individual. There is no reasonable situation for US citizens to support Israel in order to get disaster relief funds.  With a free market I should be able to do what I want with the business as long as I am not breaking any laws or abusing my staff. This puts that into law.

But if this was put in and without any checking to see if it can be applied, means that these people have no idea how to govern and this is something else. Almost snuck in there hoping people would not notice, or they would be desperate enough to sign off on it.


If I chose to boycott Israel , that's my choice as the owner of the business. This is a government clause which forces you to support Israel in order to get your funds to rebuild your home in Texas because it was destroyed in a natural disaster.  Imagine if the nation was Russia, or Saudi Arabia, or any other nation for that matter.

This goes against the first amendment. As businesses are treated as individuals and as real people. That's just how it is in the US.  Maybe there really is no 'free market' in the US anymore.

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Re: Boycott Israel ? No Hurricane Relief for You
« Reply #11 on: October 21, 2017, 10:44:45 am »
To be honest I just wanted to steer clear of all of it.

No worries, I'll go out on that limb. I won't speak of it again.


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Re: Boycott Israel ? No Hurricane Relief for You
« Reply #12 on: October 21, 2017, 02:19:02 pm »
This kind of thing should not exist in the free markets or for the individual. There is no reasonable situation for US citizens to support Israel in order to get disaster relief funds.  With a free market I should be able to do what I want with the business as long as I am not breaking any laws or abusing my staff. This puts that into law.

I don't think this was meant to apply to individuals. As for free markets - don't make me laugh. In a free market there would not be any grants to people whose houses had been flooded out. It would be up to them to repair them. Too many people build in flood zones and then when they get flooded expect other people to pick up the tab. Sorry, but no.

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But if this was put in and without any checking to see if it can be applied, means that these people have no idea how to govern and this is something else.

It's a small municipality in Texas. TEXAS doesn't know how to govern.


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If I chose to boycott Israel , that's my choice as the owner of the business.

Yup. And it's the government as a client which can then choose to boycott you.
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Re: Boycott Israel ? No Hurricane Relief for You
« Reply #13 on: October 21, 2017, 05:54:20 pm »
Why? The story explains it fairly clearly.

The language is reflective of a law passed in the last legislative session that prohibits all state agencies from contracting with or investing in companies that boycott Israel.  The law, which is similiar to laws in at least a dozen other states, took effect Sept. 1.

In other words, if you boycott Israel the state will boycott your company. I would suggest what happened here was that this town's attorney inserted a standard clause in there without really checking to see if the law applies to individuals as opposed to businesses.

The fact that the piece of legislation even exists is the weird part.  The government doesn't get involved with anything of the sort for anyone else.

Same thing with questioning anything about the holocaust;  it'll get you landed in jail but people deny elements of slavery all the time.   

I'm not saying denying holocaust or slavery is good, but there is definitely a double-standard.

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Re: Boycott Israel ? No Hurricane Relief for You
« Reply #14 on: October 21, 2017, 08:08:50 pm »
The fact that the piece of legislation even exists is the weird part.  The government doesn't get involved with anything of the sort for anyone else.

Same thing with questioning anything about the holocaust;  it'll get you landed in jail but people deny elements of slavery all the time.   

I'm not saying denying holocaust or slavery is good, but there is definitely a double-standard.

Denying the holocaust is not illegal in the US, or, as far as I know, in Canada. There is no similar law about other countries because there is no perception that people are trying to boycott any other country because of it's race or religion. And regardless of what the BDS crowd say about human rights, they're mostly a bunch of Jew haters.
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