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Offline cybercoma

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please sir... that should be small 'l'
Even then it's incorrect. This has nothing to do with the political and economic philosophy of liberalism.

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Which takes me back to the point that, in this "Woke" era, celebrating anything about the Antebellum USA is wrong because those people weren't "woke" enough to realize slavery was wrong, so they're bad. It's a very slippery slope.
If you can't even say that slavery was bad, your moral compass probably needs to be tweaked.  The worst parts of history don't need to be glorified. And it's not a bad thing that we recognize the meaning that history has for different people, especially when its disastrousconsequences have echoed through generations.

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Adidas has a terrible track record of paying poverty wages in third world sweatshops.
Is there a shoe company that doesn't?

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Slavery wasn't abolished in Britain until 1807 and the rest of the Empire until 1833, do we ignore British and Canadian history before those dates? Can the English and Scots no longer fly their national flags because they were used when slavery was still legal? France should also ditch the Tricolore because it was in use when slavery was still legal in France.

I'm not saying Nike shouldn't have ditched the shoe but where do you draw a line with this ****?
Context matters. The 13 colonies flag represents a specific time and sociopolitical environment in the United States, while the English and Scottish flags are not tied to a specific era.

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It's kind of like how i can't wear rainbows anymore because people will think i'm gay.  Whereas decades ago a rainbow just meant a rainbow.
Symbols are given meaning. Yeah. You seem to be complaining about that, as if you want to have your own personal meaning for things. It just doesn't work that way. Meaning is negotiated and socially constructed between people. It must be in order to be understood. You can feel free to completely ignore that fact, but then people will have no idea what the hell you're talking about. Words and symbols (like flags) have both denotation as well as connotation. If you ignore connotation, you're not getting the full meaning of symbols.

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The worst parts of history don't need to be glorified. And it's not a bad thing that we recognize the meaning that history has for different people, especially when its disastrousconsequences have echoed through generations.

I don't think this is an instance of "the worst parts of history being glorified", which i agree is obviously a bad thing.  Companies aren't designing sneakers with nooses on the back.

The problem is that history involves a long slow march of social/political progress, so at any point in the past things will have been worse in terms of rights for all sorts of groups, like women, LGBT, racial minorities etc.  Women didn't get a vote until 1920, Jim Crow lasted until 1965, gay marriage is only recently legalized in all states by 2015, so the US can be called racist, misogynist, homophobic (and rightfully so) throughout its history, but that doesn't mean Americans or Canadians still can't celebrate history while recognizing that no country at any point, including today, is without flaws.
"The child who is not embraced by the village will burn it down to feel its warmth"  - African proverb

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I don't think this is an instance of "the worst parts of history being glorified", which i agree is obviously a bad thing.  Companies aren't designing sneakers with nooses on the back.

The problem is that history involves a long slow march of social/political progress, so at any point in the past things will have been worse in terms of rights for all sorts of groups, like women, LGBT, racial minorities etc.  Women didn't get a vote until 1920, Jim Crow lasted until 1965, gay marriage is only recently legalized in all states by 2015, so the US can be called racist, misogynist, homophobic (and rightfully so) throughout its history, but that doesn't mean Americans or Canadians still can't celebrate history while recognizing that no country at any point, including today, is without flaws.

I think it does change the 'celebration' of history when we fully consider the impacts of colonialism, industrialization and capitalism/corporatism on marginalized people who suffered from, rather than benefited from those forces.

The attitude ...  'You can all be equal with us now, and we'll all celebrate that history.' ... is not equality at all, but forced assimilation, demanding a pretense of celebration from those victimized by that history, demanding that they reject their own history and 'become one' with their oppressors.

I think they call that 'Stockholm syndrome'. Lol 

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Bill Maher addressed this last Friday.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=efbm3JS0J04

The Woke brigade judging people in the past by the hindsight of today's standards is just a convenient way to make them feel superior. It's as silly as making fun of people in the past for thinking Fax Machines were revolutionary.
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