Author Topic: Balance and Reason, Not Panic and Emotions, Needed on Immigration Debate  (Read 762 times)

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Offline Omni

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The most dangerous immigrants arrived in 1492.
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Offline SirJohn

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Nahhh. **** immigrants. That's the easier answer. Besides they're immigrants, so it doesn't affect "us."

They're NOT immigrants. Immigrants apply and are accepted. These are illegal migrants.
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Well it actually does, Obama for instance deported the highest number of immigrants/asylum seekers who were found to not have valid claims than any other previous POTUS.

No he did not. The US changed the definition of deportation in the later years of the Bush administration. Newly arrived immigrants caught near the border used to be bused back across immediately. They changed the process so that they were fingerprinted and photographed first, and then formally deported back. This added a million 'deportations' to the figures. But an important aspect is none of these people argued they were refugees or claimed asylum. Once caught they just accepted being sent right back.
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They're NOT immigrants. Immigrants apply and are accepted. These are illegal migrants.
This bullshit lie was already debunked, but here you are running with it still.

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No he did not. The US changed the definition of deportation in the later years of the Bush administration. Newly arrived immigrants caught near the border used to be bused back across immediately. They changed the process so that they were fingerprinted and photographed first, and then formally deported back. This added a million 'deportations' to the figures. But an important aspect is none of these people argued they were refugees or claimed asylum. Once caught they just accepted being sent right back.

Actually he did. Now I know you are likely a Bush fan as well as an anti immigrant fan, but Obama beat Bush in the deportation game by about a half million. Sorry.

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So fix the process....    ::)
That means hiring lots of judges. The net result will be a greased-lightening rate of deportations, which will not make you happy.
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So fix the process....    ::)
Nahhh. **** immigrants. That's the easier answer. Besides they're immigrants, so it doesn't affect "us."
OK, do tell. Should we just open the gates? Throw a party?
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That means hiring lots of judges. The net result will be a greased-lightening rate of deportations, which will not make you happy.

"Thousands of judges" according to Trump who demonstrated he has no clue as to how many immigration judges the US currently has. Or why 5000 would be needed. Don't eat the pablum.

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OK, do tell. Should we just open the gates? Throw a party?

There is a lot of latitude between throwing open the gates and throwing children in detention centers. Noone seems to be suggesting the former, and only Trumptards are suggestng the latter. Happen to catch the coast to coast protests today?

Offline SirJohn

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This bullshit lie was already debunked, but here you are running with it still.

You're not entitled to your own facts.
"When liberals insist that only fascists will defend borders then voters will hire fascists to do the job liberals won't do." David Frum

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There is a lot of latitude between throwing open the gates and throwing children in detention centers. Noone seems to be suggesting the former, and only Trumptards are suggestng the latter. Happen to catch the coast to coast protests today?

I couldn't help noting your complete lack of an answer.
"When liberals insist that only fascists will defend borders then voters will hire fascists to do the job liberals won't do." David Frum

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I couldn't help noting your complete lack of an answer.

I didn't think I'd bother responding to the "party" part.

Offline SirJohn

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I didn't think I'd bother responding to the "party" part.

In other words, you don't have any idea what to do about all these people crossing the border.
"When liberals insist that only fascists will defend borders then voters will hire fascists to do the job liberals won't do." David Frum