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Offline Omni

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« Reply #30 on: June 28, 2018, 03:48:42 pm »
I said nothing about a conspiracy. That's your straw man. All I've said is that politicians support and increase immigration for venal political purposes, not because it's in Canada's economic interest.  Calling that a conspiracy is like saying politicians lying during an election is a conspiracy. Or saying its a conspiracy that political parties do things that will get them votes even when those programs are not in Canada's best interests. Witness Trudeau's actions in India, as one of many examples.

Except it is in Canada's economic interest. By 2030 our death rate will exceed our birth so we'll be heading towrd having a bunch of old cronies sitting around collecting pensions and nobody working to pay the taxes to refill the bucket.

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« Reply #31 on: June 28, 2018, 05:52:10 pm »
Except it is in Canada's economic interest. By 2030 our death rate will exceed our birth so we'll be heading towrd having a bunch of old cronies sitting around collecting pensions and nobody working to pay the taxes to refill the bucket.

https://www.macleans.ca/economy/economicanalysis/canadas-demographic-gap-cant-be-filled-with-immigrants/
https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/study-shows-more-immigration-wont-fix-demographic-implosion-in-canada
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« Reply #32 on: June 28, 2018, 06:13:57 pm »
Well since you've turned this into a Canadian immigration study instead of what the title talks about, I'll give you some info that once again refutes your endless arguments against immigrants.

https://www.thestar.com/news/immigration/2018/02/01/immigrants-are-largely-behind-canadas-status-as-one-of-the-best-educated-countries.html

How much good is education if you're driving a taxi because you need to be re-certified here but don't?  Sir John didn't say he's anti-immigrants, he said he's for skilled immigrants who can get skilled jobs here and not for those that aren't net tax contributors.
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Offline Michael Hardner

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« Reply #33 on: June 29, 2018, 05:49:54 am »
1) I said nothing about a conspiracy. That's your straw man. All I've said is that politicians support and increase immigration for venal political purposes, not because it's in Canada's economic interest. 

2) Calling that a conspiracy is like saying politicians lying during an election is a conspiracy. Or saying its a conspiracy that political parties do things that will get them votes even when those programs are not in Canada's best interests. 

1) Effectively the same thing.  I say conspiracy, you say secret political agenda supported by fake facts.

2) When an entire party, or it seems all parties do it then it's a conspiracy.

Anyway, we are distracting from the discussion with this semantic snit squabble...


Offline Michael Hardner

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« Reply #34 on: June 29, 2018, 05:51:36 am »
... he said he's for skilled immigrants who can get skilled jobs here and not for those that aren't net tax contributors.

Except that low-wage people who come here are making money for somebody else - ie. their employers. 

Here's a reference point for the discussion:

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/time-to-lead/how-immigrants-affect-the-economy-weighing-the-benefits-and-costs/article4106049/

Offline Michael Hardner

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« Reply #35 on: June 29, 2018, 05:56:05 am »
Note that the 'aging boomers' argument doesn't apply, that the net benefit per immigrant is disputed, and that there are other net benefits to the economy such as innovation.

As such, it seems to me that there is a cost to immigration which weighs more on cities, especially Toronto. 

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« Reply #36 on: June 29, 2018, 11:38:54 am »
Note that the 'aging boomers' argument doesn't apply, that the net benefit per immigrant is disputed, and that there are other net benefits to the economy such as innovation.

As such, it seems to me that there is a cost to immigration which weighs more on cities, especially Toronto.

I wouldn't be quite so quick to try and dismiss the impact of ageing baby boomers. The two articles below show it is a serious concern both here and south of the border. Is immigration a way to blunt the problem, I don't know. Encourage an increase in the birthrate, maybe. The Globe article suggests one way is to just get Canadians to work longer. You might get a few years out of that but it's only a stopgap.

  http://www.businessinsider.com/impact-of-baby-boomers-retiring-on-the-economy-and-stocks-2017-9

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/opinion/editorials/globe-editorial-baby-boomers-please-dont-retire-just-yet/article33946731/

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« Reply #37 on: June 29, 2018, 12:37:16 pm »
Anyway, we are distracting from the discussion with this semantic snit squabble...

Because you chose to use the word 'conspiracy' to discredit my argument.
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Offline Michael Hardner

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« Reply #38 on: June 29, 2018, 12:44:28 pm »
Because you chose to use the word 'conspiracy' to discredit my argument.

I'm not giving it up.  I think it's a conspiracy and everything that that implies.  I just don't think there's any more discussion to be had about semantics. 

Offline Squidward von Squidderson

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« Reply #39 on: June 29, 2018, 01:25:55 pm »
Because you chose to use the word 'conspiracy' to discredit my argument.

Not quite...   Your argument is discredited because it's a conspiracy theory...
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Offline SirJohn

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« Reply #40 on: June 29, 2018, 04:20:29 pm »
I'm not giving it up.  I think it's a conspiracy and everything that that implies.  I just don't think there's any more discussion to be had about semantics.

You don't get to change the language to suit your ideological beliefs.


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« Reply #41 on: June 29, 2018, 08:45:30 pm »
The violent crime in my neck of the wood comes from refugees and family class immigrants and their kids.

You must have a subscription to the Ottawa Sun, and listen to Lilly every evening.
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Offline Michael Hardner

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« Reply #42 on: June 29, 2018, 09:27:33 pm »
You don't get to change the language to suit your ideological beliefs.

I already made my case why you think it's a conspiracy.  If you can't accept it, then fine.  I'm not going to argue with you about the English language.

If you want to talk about immigration then we can do that...

Offline SirJohn

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« Reply #43 on: July 02, 2018, 03:45:24 pm »
You must have a subscription to the Ottawa Sun, and listen to Lilly every evening.

There is no Ottawa Sun any more, and I don't listen to talk radio. Never have. But continue with your clichés, Comrade.

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Offline Omni

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« Reply #44 on: July 02, 2018, 04:02:53 pm »
There is no Ottawa Sun any more, and I don't listen to talk radio. Never have. But continue with your clichés, Comrade.

There isn't? Here's today's copy.

http://ottawasun.com/category/news