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Re: Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez
« Reply #30 on: March 15, 2019, 11:12:35 am »
I have not listened to her speak.   I understand she self-describes as a kind of socialist.

Honestly, to me this is the same problem as Trump but the flip side: personality and surface perceptions over ideas and critical discussion and collaboration, candidate as product.... I find it to be a bad strategy for FOX & friends to vilify her. 

If a country is going to be this stupid, then their government needs to be redesigned so that the voting system mirrors the importance of American Idol.

god, I love it when someone from one country tells another how to reform itself.

I haven't listened to AOC speak before, either. I'll refrain from making any judgments for the moment, but do we have any links to some of her speeches? I could tell you what I have "heard" about her, but that's not exactly what one would call factual or fair. In a situation like this, it's hard to tell the truth with a polarizing figure (if indeed she is) because one side will always put her on a pedestal, the other, on a pedestal of dung.
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Re: Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez
« Reply #31 on: March 15, 2019, 10:11:01 pm »
god, I love it when someone from one country tells another how to reform itself.

Fair comment, and I should say that I don't think we're much better if at all better.

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I haven't listened to AOC speak before, either. I'll refrain from making any judgments for the moment, but do we have any links to some of her speeches? I could tell you what I have "heard" about her, but that's not exactly what one would call factual or fair. In a situation like this, it's hard to tell the truth with a polarizing figure (if indeed she is) because one side will always put her on a pedestal, the other, on a pedestal of dung.

I don't think her position has as much to do with her ideas as it is for her to be a symbolic anti-Trump and especially a focus for FOX viewers' pointless TV rage.
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Re: Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez
« Reply #32 on: March 15, 2019, 11:42:43 pm »
It seems a former Prime Minister talked a lot about making Canada an energy superpower, but had no specific plan. He started saying that day one on the job, and got re-elected a couple of more times. I do remember our manufacturing base being decimated, but nothing about becoming an energy superpower.

Well, the difference is, Canada was indeed well on its way to becoming an energy superpower given the oil reserves we had and the exploding industry in Alberta.  That is until the bottom fell out of the price of oil several years ago because in part the Saudis cranked up their production to undercut us out of the market (which has been working). 

And Canada becoming that energy superpower wasn't going to cost our government trillions, in fact it was making the government tax dollars hand over fist.
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Re: Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez
« Reply #33 on: March 15, 2019, 11:47:45 pm »
I haven't listened to AOC speak before, either. I'll refrain from making any judgments for the moment, but do we have any links to some of her speeches? I could tell you what I have "heard" about her, but that's not exactly what one would call factual or fair. In a situation like this, it's hard to tell the truth with a polarizing figure (if indeed she is) because one side will always put her on a pedestal, the other, on a pedestal of dung.

Just do a search on Youtube.  There's lots of videos of her speaking.   I still really like her as a person, i just think she needs another 10 years of life/work/political experience before she starts proposing major legislation, or at least takes time to research what she's talking about.
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Re: Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez
« Reply #34 on: March 15, 2019, 11:50:02 pm »
I don't think her position has as much to do with her ideas as it is for her to be a symbolic anti-Trump and especially a focus for FOX viewers' pointless TV rage.

She's famous because she's very young, she's hispanic, and she's a progressive from NYC (major media hub).  If she were a white woman from Nebraska nobody would give a f*ck.
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Re: Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez
« Reply #35 on: March 15, 2019, 11:54:35 pm »
She's famous because she's very young, she's hispanic, and she's a progressive from NYC (major media hub).  If she were a white woman from Nebraska nobody would give a f*ck.

Well at least we get to see what flimsy criteria you base your "political" opinion on.

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« Reply #36 on: March 16, 2019, 12:00:22 am »
Well at least we get to see what flimsy criteria you base your "political" opinion on.

what does that mean?
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Re: Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez
« Reply #37 on: March 16, 2019, 12:04:32 am »
what does that mean?

Re read your own post is my suggestion.

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« Reply #38 on: March 16, 2019, 12:06:09 am »
Re read your own post is my suggestion.

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Re: Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez
« Reply #39 on: March 16, 2019, 06:47:54 am »
She's famous because she's very young, she's hispanic, and she's a progressive from NYC (major media hub).  If she were a white woman from Nebraska nobody would give a f*ck.

There is probably a Nebraska version of this.  Faith Goldy is another type of this - cute bimbo Nazi...   


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Re: Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez
« Reply #40 on: March 18, 2019, 11:28:18 am »
Fair comment, and I should say that I don't think we're much better if at all better.

I don't think her position has as much to do with her ideas as it is for her to be a symbolic anti-Trump and especially a focus for FOX viewers' pointless TV rage.
It's baffling when people say this. She has clearly articulated policy ideas. She's not merely anti-Trump.

Now the Republicans, they were merely anti-Obama and that's illustrated in their total inability to pass any meaningful legislation when they had control of the entire government. They're completely ineffective because they don't have any position, any policies, any principles or values. They stand for nothing. All they do is stand against progress. Now that they've been infiltrated by the Russians, they stand to grind the government to a halt and obstruct everything so that the American government is unable to stand in the way of Russian Manifest Destiny.
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Re: Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez
« Reply #41 on: March 18, 2019, 11:30:45 am »
She's famous because she's very young, she's hispanic, and she's a progressive from NYC (major media hub).  If she were a white woman from Nebraska nobody would give a f*ck.
She's famous because she represents the views of people who weren't previously represented in Congress and she overthrew a strong, long-term incumbant with a massive upset victory that lead to extensive media coverage due to how exceptional that situation was.

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Re: Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez
« Reply #42 on: March 18, 2019, 11:58:58 am »
She's famous because she represents the views of people who weren't previously represented in Congress and she overthrew a strong, long-term incumbant with a massive upset victory that lead to extensive media coverage due to how exceptional that situation was.

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Re: Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez
« Reply #43 on: March 18, 2019, 06:32:22 pm »
It's baffling when people say this. She has clearly articulated policy ideas. She's not merely anti-Trump.

No, but she's an "anti-Trump".  She's been picked up by FOX and made to be the focus of their tiresome baiting because she's just a typical millennial punching bag for them.

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Now the Republicans, they were merely anti-Obama and that's illustrated in their total inability to pass any meaningful legislation when they had control of the entire government. They're completely ineffective because they don't have any position, any policies, any principles or values. They stand for nothing. All they do is stand against progress. Now that they've been infiltrated by the Russians, they stand to grind the government to a halt and obstruct everything so that the American government is unable to stand in the way of Russian Manifest Destiny.

Yeah.  Ok, but ... well there just isn't much to talk about in US politics.

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Re: Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez
« Reply #44 on: March 18, 2019, 06:38:34 pm »
She's famous because she represents the views of people who weren't previously represented in Congress and she overthrew a strong, long-term incumbant with a massive upset victory that lead to extensive media coverage due to how exceptional that situation was.

Forgot about the latter, agreed on that one.

I don't quite agree with the former.  There's a ton of Latino/a-Americans in Congress, as well as progressive folk like Bernie Sanders.  I think the media market of her constituency as a big factor.  MSNBC and the NYT etc don't have their headquarters in North Dakota.
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