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« Reply #60 on: October 28, 2018, 09:36:31 am »
Well, his daughter-wife is Jewish so...

Ironic that he uses a playbook that could have been written by Joseph Goebbels.
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« Reply #61 on: October 28, 2018, 12:59:54 pm »
It is worth noting that it looks like what pushed him over the edge was that caravan of 'refugees' being so heavily publicized in the US media. His main target wasn't just Jews but the Jews involved in a refugee advocacy group called HIAS. I don't know if they were actually involved or not but guys like this rarely think straight or require a lot of evidence.

The issue that put him over the edge may have been the caravan and HIAS, but the guy clearly had an intense hatred of Jews and is a firm believer in the "ZOG" (Zionist Occupying Government, I believe that stands for-- the notion that a secret cabal of Jews is the real power running all western nations) and is an avid Holocaust  denier.   After his name became publicly known, people found his profile on a social network called "Gab" (which is basically where alt-right people go after they get banned from Twitter) and have posted a trove of screenshots of his rantings.

His intense hatred for Jews was not limited to those working for HIAS.   HIAS is based in New York City, not Pittsburgh. The caravan might have been the last straw, but this is a guy whose hatred for Jews was already intense. 

This article talks a bit more about what "Gab" is:
https://www.businessinsider.com/pittsburgh-synagogue-shooting-gab-2018-10

And it includes this link has an archive of some screenshots of the killer's anti-Jewish rantings:
https://web.archive.org/web/20181027160428/https://imgur.com/a/cwB9QkR

Aside from the usual stuff about Holocaust denial and the supposed genocide of white people, there's also plenty of 4chan memes.  He was a big fan of Pepe the frog.


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« Reply #62 on: October 28, 2018, 01:11:24 pm »
I'm surprised the guy got out of that building alive. That kind of a stunt, especially in the US, is usually like signing your own death warrant.

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« Reply #63 on: October 28, 2018, 08:17:44 pm »
Ironic that he uses a playbook that could have been written by Joseph Goebbels.

I stated in a previous response I felt Trump's attempt to polarize Americans using the Immigration issue and calling out the caravan was Hitlerian. I have to agree with you. His references, his language, his calling on people to hate, his exploitation of anger, his constant tone of inciting division, it has set the stage for whipping lunatics up. For me as a Jew the Hitlerian incitement using immigrants as an excuse to fan and incite anger is Trumps way of getting his supporters out to vote.

The fact his daughter married a Jew also incites the very extremists as well as left wing Jewish haters.

I think it's never a good time to be a Jew. The extreme right call us world controlling monsters but so does the trendy let alone extreme left. Using Israel and Zionism as an excuse for expressing anti semitism is on the left and extreme right.

As a Jew I know what it means when  Trump proudly refers to himself as a Nationalist. He runs his rallies like the Nazis did. The only thing missing is the salute.

I say to blacks and Christians, we almost had another disaster with the other mad man who could not get in the church and shot to black people in their backs because they were black.

We had that crazy mail bomber this week, the lunatic who shot up the gay bar, attacks on people praying in churches, mosques, now this. ON and on the suicide of the US unfolds.

Where is and when are leaders going to come out and say enough. Trump is not the sole blame, forvthus, that is too easy, but he sure as hell set the tone for these latest attacks. He is using his words as gasoline poured on fire. He has failed to lead. He has spent two years attacking and destroying his own nation. Sadly he is an agent of bitterness and hatred not inspiration. It's sad to see the level the US has dragged itself down to. Sad indeed. More massacres will come. It is the direct result of a leader fanning hatred to pander to it to stay in power. Trump is a fascist using hatred and fear to rally his followers and like Hitler Trump will go the way he came, with a violent outcome. People like Trump do not leave legacies, only ruins.
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« Reply #64 on: October 29, 2018, 10:35:46 am »
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I think it's never a good time to be a Jew.

 :'(  I don't understand it.  And anti-semitism is brewing in the world again.

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Where is and when are leaders going to come out and say enough. Trump is not the sole blame, forvthus, that is too easy, but he sure as hell set the tone for these latest attacks. He is using his words as gasoline poured on fire. He has failed to lead.

Sadly, I don't think Trump is the CAUSE of all the hatred and upheaval, but I think he has certainly EMBOLDENED those who already have prejudices to be more vocal and it motivates some of them to take action.
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Re: 2/3 of Terror is Right Wing Groups
« Reply #65 on: October 29, 2018, 11:53:55 am »
Where is and when are leaders going to come out and say enough. Trump is not the sole blame, forvthus, that is too easy, but he sure as hell set the tone for these latest attacks. He is using his words as gasoline poured on fire.
It should also be noted that Trump has taken resources meant to combat extreme right-wing activity (which is the cause of the majority of terrorist attacks in the U.S.) and diverted it towards stopping Islamic terrorism (which causes far fewer attacks and deaths than right wing extremism.) So not only is Trump's "tone" fueling the recent attacks, but his direct policies.

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2018/10/trump-shut-countering-violent-extremism-program/574237/
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« Reply #66 on: October 29, 2018, 12:26:01 pm »
:'(  I don't understand it.  And anti-semitism is brewing in the world again.

Sadly, I don't think Trump is the CAUSE of all the hatred and upheaval, but I think he has certainly EMBOLDENED those who already have prejudices to be more vocal and it motivates some of them to take action.

Trump says now in during one of his rally speeches that the death penalty must be brought back. You would think in his job he would know that the death penalty has been on the books for decades, especially in PA. Now whether or not it's an effective deterrent is another story.

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« Reply #67 on: October 29, 2018, 04:10:12 pm »
It should also be noted that Trump has taken resources meant to combat extreme right-wing activity (which is the cause of the majority of terrorist attacks in the U.S.) and diverted it towards stopping Islamic terrorism (which causes far fewer attacks and deaths than right wing extremism.) So not only is Trump's "tone" fueling the recent attacks, but his direct policies.

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2018/10/trump-shut-countering-violent-extremism-program/574237/

Seg with due respect the money for counter intelligence in the US is not being diverted to anti immigration policies. The budgeting is completely different. The Us has a complex myriad of levels of security at federal, state, county  city, township levels all engaging in counter intelligence. Then there are the 4 branches of the military service that do the same. Treasury, Homeland Securty, the FBI, DEA, NSA, ATF, all engage in counter intelligence. Budgets are not being diverted. They in fact overlap. The same people who investigate extremism don't ignore neo Nazis any more than they do anyone else. They follow the issues of the day. Again there is no proof attention to right wing extremism has been cut let alone channeled against Muslims or immigrants or anyone in particular.. It does n

Such evidence does not existbits a leftistvtrendy myth because counter intelligence  units don't choose who is violent- their work arises as a  reaction to those who are violent, period. They all are of equal danger. All extremists are their concern.

 
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« Reply #68 on: October 29, 2018, 04:21:00 pm »
Set with due respect the money for counter intelligence in the US is not being diverted to anti immigration policies. The budgeting is completely different. The Us has a complex myriad of levels of security at federal, state, county  city, township levels all entail g in counter intelligence. Then there are the 4 branches of the military service that do the same. Treasury, Homeland Securty, the FBI, DEA, NSA, ATF, all engage in counter intelligence. Budgets are not being diverted. They in fact overlap. The same people who investigate extremism don't ignore neo Nazis any more than they do anyone else. They follow the issues of the day. Again there is no proof attention to right wing extremism has been cut. It does not exist because counter intelligence doesn't choose who is violent, they react to those who are violent gto try contain them. All extremists are their concern.

Yeah sure. Meanwhile Trump says go ahead and punch people in the nose and I'll pay your legal bills.

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« Reply #69 on: October 29, 2018, 10:04:42 pm »
Yah sure. I guess that summarizes the totality of your in depth expertise on counter intelligence.
United States Army Intelligence
Army Intelligence & Security Command
Air Force Office Of Special Investigation
Defence Counterintelligence and Human Intelligence Centre
Diplomatic Security Service, US Secretary of State
FBI
NCIS
US Marine Corps Counterintelligence Branch
Office of the National Counterintelligence Executive
CIA
Secret Service, and other Treasury Dept. Units
Homeland Security
DEA
ATF
city police forces
State police forces
Sheriffs departments
US Marshall Service

The above are just a few of the organizations investigating extremists. You and no one else has a clue how their budgets are allocated and what they investigate. To suggest you do and know it's being used to single out Muslims let alone ignore right wing extremists like this thread is baseless. You are a knee jerk band wagon jumper who jumps on trendy causes like a dog in heat.
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« Reply #70 on: October 29, 2018, 10:12:14 pm »
Yah sure. I guess that summarizes the totality of your in depth expertise on counter intelligence.
United States Army Intelligence
Army Intelligence & Security Command
Air Force Office Of Special Investigation
Defence Counterintelligence and Human Intelligence Centre
Diplomatic Security Service, US Secretary of State
FBI
NCIS
US Marine Corps Counterintelligence Branch
Office of the National Counterintelligence Executive
CIA
Secret Service, and other Treasury Dept. Units
Homeland Security
DEA
ATF
city police forces
State police forces
Sheriffs departments
US Marshall Service

The above are just a few of the organizations investigating extremists. You and no one else has a clue how their budgets are allocated and what they investigate. To suggest you do and know it's being used to single out Muslims let alone ignore right wing extremists like this thread is baseless. You are a knee jerk band wagon jumper who jumps on trendy causes like a dog in heat.

Nice list. Irrelevant but, nice list.
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« Reply #71 on: October 30, 2018, 10:15:37 am »
Yah sure. I guess that summarizes the totality of your in depth expertise on counter intelligence.

(List of law enforcement agencies cut for length)

The above are just a few of the organizations investigating extremists. You and no one else has a clue how their budgets are allocated and what they investigate. To suggest you do and know it's being used to single out Muslims let alone ignore right wing extremists like this thread is baseless. You are a knee jerk band wagon jumper who jumps on trendy causes like a dog in heat.
Did you actually read the link that I provided? It specifically mentions changes in funding. For example,it specifically mentions the shutdown of programs aimed at curtailing extreme right-wing racism.

Yes, I do recognize that there are still law enforcement groups that deal with issues of right wing extremism. I never claimed that the issue was being totally ignored at this point. My point was that it was getting LESS attention now, when it should be getting GREATER attention.
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