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American Politics / Re: The Donald Trump Thread
« Last post by BC_cheque on August 17, 2017, 10:32:04 pm »
He still didn't have a leg to stand on.  There is no equivalency when there's nazis involved.

I'm not talking ideology, of course there is no equivalency.

I'm talking in their deluded heads.  I don't know if you spend any time actually reading what the other side has to say, but in their minds, the nazis were reacting, not acting, when one of them murdered an innocent woman.

I'm not saying I agree with them or that they raise a good point, I just wish nobody on the side of sanity had given them that out and only fought back instead of instigating.

That's the part that bothers me in all this. 
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American Politics / Re: The Donald Trump Thread
« Last post by Moonlight Graham on August 17, 2017, 10:26:14 pm »
Not really - it's more moral equivalency garbage.

Trying to equate WWII to Charlottesville is garbage.

I'm not saying leftwing protesters are anywhere near as bad as KKK/Nazis, there's no moral equivalency there.  In fact most of those protesters are great citizens.  The Nazis caused most of that crap.  But when you start swinging punches & clubs because you're angry & you hate someone well I think that's bad behaviour no matter Nazi or whomever.
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American Politics / Re: The Donald Trump Thread
« Last post by Moonlight Graham on August 17, 2017, 10:22:28 pm »
My point - that wasn't always the case in WWII either - certainly not at every engagement.  Overall, the Nazis started it, both times.

So you support mobs of regular citizens lynching Nazis and KKK in America?  I'm sure that will work out well...MLK so proud!
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American Politics / Re: The Donald Trump Thread
« Last post by Moonlight Graham on August 17, 2017, 10:15:32 pm »
So when the KKK shows up in town armed and ready for a fight, people should be pacifists and take their shit?

No, they should protest the KKK and defend themselves if they're indeed physically attacked, and if the KKK does illegal crap then the police should arrest & charge them.  I believe this is how it works in a normally functioning civil democracy.
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American Politics / Re: The Donald Trump Thread
« Last post by jmt18325 on August 17, 2017, 09:51:50 pm »
He still didn't have a leg to stand on.  There is no equivalency when there's nazis involved.
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American Politics / Re: The Donald Trump Thread
« Last post by BC_cheque on August 17, 2017, 09:45:36 pm »
He does.

I think so too.  Even if the nazis are abhorrent, I don't think instigating violence was right.

Fighting back is one thing, but when I started seeing the unprovoked 'punch a nazi' memes I was floored.  Next thing you know the fights escalate and a inevitably someone got killed.

They counter-protesters did their cause a lot of disservice in my opinion and it pisses me off because it gives the nazis justification which they should not have. 

Just listening to Trump make the moral equivalence, for example, makes me sick.  He wouldn't have a leg to stand on otherwise. 

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General Discussion / Re: Sex Culture
« Last post by BC_cheque on August 17, 2017, 09:35:17 pm »
With the male on male sex scenes in "American Gods" and "Ozark" where even I (who was caught with smuggled Hustler magazines when I was 9 years old) can watch it is likely a sign that the times are a changing.

But yeah, I'd rather watch women getting it on, but "AG" and "Ozark" are much better stories with the gay sex in them than without.

ETA: for those wondering about this

https://moviepilot.com/p/american-gods-gay-sex-explicit-not-porn/4270422

I just wrote a response to you but deleted it by mistake, grrr, I'll try and rephrase it...

That was a very graphic sex scene, gay or straight.  I don't remember seeing anything equivalent on TV for a straight sex scene.  Good for them.

Also, I remember reading some criticism from gay men when Brokeback Mountain came out that the way the sex was always depicted from behind is actually the way straight people think gay men have sex when in fact, more often than not, they have missionary sex just like heterosexuals.

So in the beginning of the scene in your link when they started off from behind I groaned remembering that criticism, but they even changed it up to get the true, non-hetero depiction of gay sex.

Good job director!
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General Discussion / Re: Sex Culture
« Last post by BC_cheque on August 17, 2017, 09:13:59 pm »
My s.o. (maybe former s.o. now) lives in Vancouver most of the time, and she's pretty handsy in public, which I'm not completely comfortable with it. I was never big into public displays when I was with men either, so maybe it's just personality... but I think that maybe being in Vancouver gives her a feeling of comfort with it that I don't feel here.

 -k

So you're consistent.  I've never had issues holding the hand of the men I've dated, but with women I was more reserved.  Well, unless we were in a gay-friendly area/bar and it didn't seem out of place. 

But now I don't take it for granted in my current relationship.  For a lot of people it probably doesn't even cross their mind how such a simple little gesture is actually a privilege, but I'm often well aware of it when I hold my husband's in public.
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American Politics / Re: The Donald Trump Thread
« Last post by jmt18325 on August 17, 2017, 09:13:21 pm »
MG has some good thoughts.

Not really - it's more moral equivalency garbage.
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American Politics / Re: The Donald Trump Thread
« Last post by jmt18325 on August 17, 2017, 09:11:49 pm »
If a left-wing protester was being violent in order to defend themselves against a violent attack by these alt-right idiots then yes you're right.  But that wasn't always the case in Charlottesville.

My point - that wasn't always the case in WWII either - certainly not at every engagement.  Overall, the Nazis started it, both times.
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