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You have no way to know if it fair or not. The only who is showing bias is you. You are simply unable to accept that  reality is likely a lot more complicated and messy than the narrative you prefer.

I see when you claim it was fair then all is peachy dandy but now that I question that I am the one with bias? You seriously need to look in the mirror.

I see when you claim it was fair then all is peachy dandy but now that I question that I am the one with bias?

I said people assuming the jury was biased are unreasonable and have no basis for that claim. I said that, based on the public evidence, there appears to be 'reasonable doubt' wrt a manslaughter charge. I also am sympathetic to the argument that perception matters and having no native jurors undermines faith in the system even if the verdict was reasonable. Unfortunately, as more information becomes available it is not a simply question calling more native jurors or limiting objections because of all of the confounding factors. Would just be served by a hung jury and endless retrials? I don't see any fixes that could not create more problems than they solve.

I said people assuming the jury was biased are unreasonable and have no basis for that claim.

I never made that claim. I said the jury selection process is unfair.

It means they feel disengaged and even hopeless; if nothing much changes in people's day-to-day life whether they are  poor or middle class regardless of who gets voted in, why should they care?   If their life slowly gets worse while very few people get richer - again regardless of who is in power - then why would they feel like their vote matters?  If voting changes nothing for an individual then why is it their failure rather than the system?

Well if they don't get engaged when they have the biggest stake in change, they have nothing to complain about. If they don't care, why should they expect people who do vote to care about what they want.

Young people who have the greatest stake in change and will inherit the country have the worst voting record. If they want change, get their faces out of their phones (or at least use them to get politicly educated) and do something about it. It takes an hour to vote and they only have to do it four times every four years, once each for federal and provincial elections and twice for civic elections. Four hours out of their lives every four years to partake in a democracy that most of the world's people can only dream about. Poor babies, my heart bleeds for them.

Young people who have the greatest stake in change and will inherit the country have the worst voting record. If they want change, get their faces out of their phones (or at least use them to get politicly educated) and do something about it.

They have, in the last federal election the younger age groups had the most significant increase of all while older age groups were relatively flat.

b.t.w. Voter age demographics are based on exit polls as the vote itself is confidential so statistics here are no more accurate than other polls.

That’s not how it works.  They don’t release the voting, but they know who voted and do summary stats on that data, not on exit polls.

In recent years that has been an attempt by Elections Canada to improve the quality where they use administrative data from the electoral process to obtain a random sample of electors who voted. By linking these data to the National Register of Electors,they are able to produce estimates of voter turnout by age and sex.

Here are links to the methods:

https://lop.parl.ca/Content/LOP/ResearchPublications/2016-104-e.html

http://www.elections.ca/content.aspx?section=res&dir=rec/eval/pes2015/vtsa&document=table1&lang=e

Who is going to voluntarily report for jury duty if it might actually consume much of your life for months at a time? Is there a reason some trials need to last so damned long? I can't imagine how there could be enough information to justify a five month trial unless there were enormous delays along the way and there was minute, nitpicking detail that would bore me out of my mind. And I don't get paid if I don't work. So this sort of thing would cost me a fortune.

This guy, on the other hand, is sueing over PTSD

http://nationalpost.com/pmn/news-pmn/canada-news-pmn/juror-who-spent-five-months-at-ontario-murder-trial-files-lawsuit