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Offline Bubbermiley

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Re: On Canadian Values
« Reply #330 on: May 02, 2017, 09:33:34 am »
The assumption that people lie on surveys is the same as the assumption that they don't.  Equally valid.  People will tell a survey whatever suits them most.
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Re: On Canadian Values
« Reply #331 on: May 02, 2017, 01:42:51 pm »
The assumption that people lie on surveys is the same as the assumption that they don't.  Equally valid.  People will tell a survey whatever suits them most.
Assuming that they only to try and push a point was what I was responding to. But your point does underscore why Lietch's proposed questionnaire would be a wasted effort.

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Re: On Canadian Values
« Reply #332 on: May 02, 2017, 04:01:46 pm »
The assumption that people lie on surveys is the same as the assumption that they don't.  Equally valid.  People will tell a survey whatever suits them most.

People tend to be truthful more than untruthful.  This is kind of hardwired into humans, due to mutual trust requirements for a successful society.

This is not the same as saying that nobody ever lies on a survey only that an assumption of truthfulness is more likely to be correct than an assumption of untruthfulness.

In any case the problem is that John/Argus assumes truthfulness where it suits him and untruthfulness where it suits him.   This says more about him than aboit the survey respondents.
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Re: On Canadian Values
« Reply #333 on: May 02, 2017, 09:15:04 pm »
People tend to be truthful more than untruthful.  This is kind of hardwired into humans, due to mutual trust requirements for a successful society.

This is not the same as saying that nobody ever lies on a survey only that an assumption of truthfulness is more likely to be correct than an assumption of untruthfulness.

In any case the problem is that John/Argus assumes truthfulness where it suits him and untruthfulness where it suits him.   This says more about him than aboit the survey respondents.

I think people tend to be truthful when there is no outcome that will affect them.  Coke or Pepsi?

If they can affect their own situation by lying, they will. 

I should add, if they think it's funny they will too. 
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Re: On Canadian Values
« Reply #334 on: May 03, 2017, 04:23:40 pm »
It's interesting to see all the Islamophiles who have spent months screaming that value testing would be a waste of time because people would just lie now outraged at the suggestion people will lie to a poll.

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Re: On Canadian Values
« Reply #335 on: May 03, 2017, 05:11:10 pm »
It's interesting to see all the Islamophiles who have spent months screaming that value testing would be a waste of time because people would just lie now outraged at the suggestion people will lie to a poll.

Nobody is "screaming" or "outraged", that's just you setting your hair on fire. But do you not understand that there may be a little more incentive to lie to a Kellie Lietch "values test" question than to answer a survey that asks if you still wear your head scarf or not once you have already been accepted into the country?

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Re: On Canadian Values
« Reply #336 on: May 04, 2017, 07:39:02 pm »
Nobody is "screaming" or "outraged", that's just you setting your hair on fire. But do you not understand that there may be a little more incentive to lie to a Kellie Lietch "values test" question than to answer a survey that asks if you still wear your head scarf or not once you have already been accepted into the country?

Do you not understand that the questions given in a values test would not have been straightforward?

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Re: On Canadian Values
« Reply #337 on: May 04, 2017, 08:47:50 pm »
of course! Thats the only way it would work. A bunch of vague questions whose answers could mean all sorts of things. I'm curious about what steam of innocuous questions would lead to the result that the applicant wishes to kill infidels or maybe hopes to win a lottery and never work again.
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« Reply #338 on: May 04, 2017, 09:16:11 pm »
Do you not understand that the questions given in a values test would not have been straightforward?

Oh I see, so it would have been some TRRRRRICKY questions. And everybody with brown skin would be too god damn stupid to catch onto that. Gotcha.

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Re: On Canadian Values
« Reply #339 on: May 06, 2017, 08:05:50 pm »
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