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Re: Trudeau the groper. Hilarious!
« Reply #30 on: July 09, 2018, 10:43:12 pm »
I said she was looking for a story. That is a very logical conclusion of the situation, I don't see many other possibilities there. I never said she made up anything, I said perhaps she didn't get the story she was looking for because she wasn't granted an interview. She wrote what she had to fill column inches.

What is happening now however is many people (Coyne, Rex, and even our Argus) are making up stories to fill their column inches. Neither Rose nor Justin are pushing this, it is those looking to make a buck or drive their own agenda.

I believe Trudeau's statement on the situation is exactly what Urback is asking for, even though you and she don't see that. He explained the complication that perceptions were different.

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« Reply #31 on: July 10, 2018, 06:07:04 am »
Trudeau's actions were inexcusable.  People will excuse himas they did Bill Clinton.

His zero tolerance policy is now dead.
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« Reply #32 on: July 10, 2018, 07:43:13 am »
What similar allegations.

He was a young, single, teacher at a social event (beer festival, raising money for avalanche support).

A young girl approach him (this I assume, but it flows logically from the story). There is no reason he would approach a reporter, but she knows who he is so it is very relevant for her.

We don't know if she identified herself, we don't know how she approached him, we don't know how long they were interacting or how.

Her publisher/boss says that Trudeau briefly touched her rear end, and doesn't consider that a sexual assault. Rose however was offended, and asks for an apology which Trudeau readily gives. Trudeau has a different opinion of the encounter which he doesn't share.

Here is a plausible scenario that could easily fit that case:

Rose is a young reporter looking for stories. She goes to this beer festival and spots Justin out on the dance floor. She goes over and introduces herself and dances with him, she wants to loosen him up so she can interview him about his recently killed brother. At the end of the dance he pats her on the bum, and she reacts because she wasn't trying to pick him up just break the ice. She then introduces herself as a reporter and says she was there to interview him, so he apologizes for the misunderstanding but doesn't grant her an interview. Poor Rose heads back without a story, but at least she has the apology from the son of the former Prime Minister she can print in her local paper. The national papers she is a stringer for of course have no interest in that non-story.

Yes, I am speculating but so is everyone else. At least like Rex & Coyne and all the others, I don't speculate in a national newpaper because I am not looking to fill a column like them (and Rose).

Sounds like you're blaming the victim.
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Re: Trudeau the groper. Hilarious!
« Reply #33 on: July 10, 2018, 07:52:46 am »
His zero tolerance policy is now dead.
No it isn't. The zero tolerance against people in the Liberal party is dead. However, the people excusing Trudeau will come with all kinds of excuses to justify a zero tolerance policy against people who hold opinions they don't like. You have to remember zero tolerance policies are not about what is right or what makes sense. They are simply political weapons to be deployed when useful. This incident exposes them for what they are.
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« Reply #34 on: July 10, 2018, 09:14:49 am »
Sounds like you're blaming the victim.

Sounds like you can't read

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« Reply #35 on: July 10, 2018, 05:35:17 pm »
Good editorial.

I absolutely do not want Trudeau to resign over this. That would be appalling.  What I do hope comes from this is some common sense and rationality when it comes to these issues.  Robyn Urback says it perfectly:

Why would it be appalling?   He allegedly touched a woman's butt without her permission, that is sexual assault, which he has spearheaded a campaign of #metoo zero tolerance for.  And he apologized at the time for it, which is an admission of guilt, but now he's says he "apologized that what he did made her feel uncomfortable, not that he thought he did anything wrong."  What BS.

I agree with Robyn's point that you quoted, but i'm not sure if it really applies here.  She accused him, he apologized.  Any other celebrity would be raked over the coals for this and rightly so.  He can't have a zero tolerance policy and then give tolerance for himself.

If Doug Ford did this what would be the reaction?  They'd call him a creepy pervert & call for resignation.  Sexy golden boy gets a lot more leeway.
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« Reply #36 on: July 10, 2018, 06:29:58 pm »
I think that even if Doug Ford did it 18 years ago (and he probably did), we would wait for a description of the offence and a complaint related to it. It's only because Trudeau dared to call himself a feminist that people are making such a big deal about what is essentially a lot of vague innuendo of barely anything.

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« Reply #37 on: July 10, 2018, 07:01:07 pm »
I think that even if Doug Ford did it 18 years ago (and he probably did), we would wait for a description of the offence and a complaint related to it. It's only because Trudeau dared to call himself a feminist that people are making such a big deal about what is essentially a lot of vague innuendo of barely anything.

An editorial written by the reporter at the time talking about how Trudeau "groped and manhandled her" = Vague innuendo of barely anything.
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« Reply #38 on: July 10, 2018, 07:24:57 pm »
I think that even if Doug Ford did it 18 years ago (and he probably did), we would wait for a description of the offence and a complaint related to it. It's only because Trudeau dared to call himself a feminist that people are making such a big deal about what is essentially a lot of vague innuendo of barely anything.

He allegedly touched her on the butt without her consent.  That's sexual assault by a sitting PM, though in the distant past.  The complaint came via an editorial 20 years ago, but it's not like there's a formal charge now or the victim seeking justice.
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« Reply #39 on: July 10, 2018, 07:31:50 pm »
Where did you hear he touched her butt? I've only ever heard tbe vague secondhand account in the editorial.
Does touching butts always constitute sexual assault, even when done inadvertently in a crowded elevator? Do football players need to ask consent before celebrating touchdowns?

Obviously we need more information before we can rush to judgment that a "sexual assault" was committed. Personally, I find an unsolicited squeeze is bolder than a friendly pat. And when I was 14 and looking at used records at Red River Bookshop, Peter the store clerk's repeated casual back of the hand on the ass as he passed by was annoying but kind of funny. Sadly he was soon after beaten to death by a gay-basher (it was the 80s), so he has no political career to worry about now.
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Re: Trudeau the groper. Hilarious!
« Reply #40 on: July 17, 2018, 02:29:08 pm »
"he briefly touched her on the butt". How briefly was it? Was it in a suggestive way? Was it by accident or intended? She doesn't seem to want to talk about it but apparently you have all the details so c'mon man, let us know what you claim to know and how you know it.

Sorry I was a tad busy. Let me just laugh in your face given your self righteous comments about you know that big eared fella Dougy replaced. You are one of the most if not sanctimonious, pretentious, politically correct presumptious holier than thou contributor to this forum when it comes to handing out judgements. Ooopsy, Justin is caught and you engage in absolute two faced contraditory standards.

Trudeau's explanation and answer proved he is a two faced lying do as I do not as I say diaper content and now you want to wear his dirty diaper. Knock yourself out putting it on.
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« Reply #41 on: July 17, 2018, 02:35:34 pm »
Sorry I was a tad busy. Let me just laugh in your face given your self righteous comments about you know that big eared fella Dougy replaced. You are one of the most if not sanctimonious, pretentious, politically correct presumptious holier than thou contributor to this forum when it comes to handing out judgements. Ooopsy, Justin is caught and you engage in absolute two faced contraditory standards.

Trudeau's explanation and answer proved he is a two faced lying do as I do not as I say diaper content and now you want to wear his dirty diaper. Knock yourself out putting it on.

So you have no answer, as expected.

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« Reply #42 on: July 17, 2018, 04:07:32 pm »
Sorry I was a tad busy. Let me just laugh in your face given your self righteous comments about you know that big eared fella Dougy replaced. You are one of the most if not sanctimonious, pretentious, politically correct presumptious holier than thou contributor to this forum when it comes to handing out judgements. Ooopsy, Justin is caught and you engage in absolute two faced contraditory standards.

Trudeau's explanation and answer proved he is a two faced lying do as I do not as I say diaper content and now you want to wear his dirty diaper. Knock yourself out putting it on.

Oh well, at least I don't wallow in the muck you, and your buddy like to do, by constantly trying to color your comments by including gross comments about bodily functions or sexual innuendo. But knock yourself out putting it on. 

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Re: Trudeau the groper. Hilarious!
« Reply #43 on: July 17, 2018, 06:19:56 pm »

Trudeau's explanation and answer proved he is a two faced lying do as I do not as I say diaper content and now you want to wear his dirty diaper. Knock yourself out putting it on.

He's dirty, and too few people are making a stink about the stink.  It's too much to have him resign but he should admit, politically, he's full of ****.
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