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Marijuana Legalization Timetable Set
« on: March 26, 2017, 09:50:41 pm »
According to the CBC, the Liberals will in April (the week of the 10th) introduce a bill making marijuana legal for recreational use by July 1st, 2018.  The product will be regulated by Ottawa, with distribution regulations in the hands of the provinces.  The price will also be set at the provincial level.  The minimum federally regulated age for sale will be 18.  The provinces will be free to sent higher ages, such as 21 or 25.  Federal regulations will allow people to grow up to 4 plants (per household).

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/liberal-legal-marijuana-pot-1.4041902

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« Reply #1 on: March 26, 2017, 10:12:43 pm »
Good for them. They made a promise and it's about time they delivered on it. That ought to clear a lot of jail cells needed for actual criminals.

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« Reply #2 on: March 27, 2017, 07:40:04 am »
Congratulations to the NDP for pressing them on this point by calling Trudeau a filthy liar in the NDP leadership debates. I have no doubt in my mind this is the only reason they rushed out this timetable.

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« Reply #3 on: March 27, 2017, 09:39:26 am »
Congratulations to the NDP for pressing them on this point by calling Trudeau a filthy liar in the NDP leadership debates. I have no doubt in my mind this is the only reason they rushed out this timetable.

I have to disagree.  They generally set out this timetable (the start of it, anyway) at the United Nations some months ago.  However, nothing is done until it's done. 

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« Reply #4 on: March 27, 2017, 01:34:46 pm »
Bullshit. They'd still be waiting to announce it.

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« Reply #5 on: March 27, 2017, 05:31:05 pm »
Maybe, but we really can't know that.

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« Reply #6 on: April 06, 2017, 03:29:25 pm »
I voted conservative last time, but I have no problem with the legalization of marijuana.

I am curious about what type of distribution models each province will take. (Will they simply legalize existing shops, or go to a government-run distribution model, along the lines of Ontario's LCBO.)

I'm also wondering if there will be many disappointed people who were expecting some big "free for all", but find that what the laws are isn't quite as free and open as they expected.

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« Reply #7 on: May 02, 2017, 06:59:24 pm »
It will be fascinating to watch it become normalized. I never believed that getting rid of prohibition would have a huge effect on consumption levels because I thought that everybody who wanted to buy weed was like me and knew happy-go-lucky, elderly, non-biker weed distributors. Apparently that isn't the case and there are a heap of people who are interested but don't know (or don't feel comfortable dealing with) anybody who makes a living selling it. There should probably be a public information campaign about how it may not be physically addictive but be prepared to find that it's insanely habit-forming, because every situation is improved by a slight buzz.

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« Reply #8 on: May 02, 2017, 07:30:08 pm »
It will be fascinating to watch it become normalized. I never believed that getting rid of prohibition would have a huge effect on consumption levels because I thought that everybody who wanted to buy weed was like me and knew happy-go-lucky, elderly, non-biker weed distributors. Apparently that isn't the case and there are a heap of people who are interested but don't know (or don't feel comfortable dealing with) anybody who makes a living selling it. There should probably be a public information campaign about how it may not be physically addictive but be prepared to find that it's insanely habit-forming, because every situation is improved by a slight buzz.

That's interesting because I know if I wanted a joint I could find one in about 10 minutes. It could very well be there are a bunch of folks who might be interested in giving it a try, but were afraid of the illegal part. Maybe I should invest in some grow lights.

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« Reply #9 on: May 08, 2017, 11:38:55 am »
There should probably be a public information campaign about how it may not be physically addictive but be prepared to find that it's insanely habit-forming...
Technically not correct.

While the vast majority of users will not become addicted (and pot is far less addictive than, for example, alcohol, tobacco or crack), roughly 9% of people will develop an addiction. That's more than the 0% that you would need to classify it as 'not addictive'.

(Note that doesn't mean I'm against legalization, just that some of the pro-marijuana claims are a bit overblown.)

https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/the-teenage-mind/201012/is-marijuana-addictive
http://www.****.com/blog/5-pro-marijuana-arguments-that-arent-helping/

ETA: Strange.. the second reference was to a web site called Cracked. It is a humor site (although their humor is based partly on real information). But for some reason it got censored.
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« Reply #10 on: May 08, 2017, 03:56:45 pm »

Note that doesn't mean I'm against legalization, just that some of the pro-marijuana claims are a bit overblown.


Way back when I was a regular hippy-dippy pot smoker, I would occasionally mention that I wondered what this stuff did long term.  I was reassured by my friends that pot was positively good for you, that it 'cleared out the lungs', left nothing behind in your body, and essentially had no effect at all.  This made very little sense to me, since the whole point of pot was that it 'had an effect' and even if it were true that the pot itself did nothing to one's lungs, what about the paper it was (often) wrapped in?  My first experience with the illogic of the committed, I guess.

I did notice that about a year after I quit smoking, I was able to recognize the ways in which it had affected me mentally and emotionally, and it wasn't for the better.  But we all respond to things differently, so this is not to say that my experience was typical.   I'm not against legalization either, but I do worry about the extra strength compared to my youth and the reports of younger people having mental issues. 
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« Reply #11 on: May 08, 2017, 06:54:44 pm »
Apparently that isn't the case and there are a heap of people who are interested but don't know (or don't feel comfortable dealing with) anybody who makes a living selling it. There should probably be a public information campaign about how it may not be physically addictive but be prepared to find that it's insanely habit-forming, because every situation is improved by a slight buzz.

I used to smoke weed when I was younger.  Now it's rarely, and yes, it's partly because we don't have a direct contact (friends do), but more than that I say it's because I find it hard on the lungs and vaping doesn't seem to have much effect. 

It's hard to say whether I'd smoke more often if I could stop on my way home and pick up a joint but something tells me that probably not.  I would therefore agree, if anyone wants to smoke weed now, they would find a a way and I don't think legalization will make much of a difference in consumption. 

As for making 'every situation' better, no definitely not for me.  It's always been a strictly at-home thing for me.  I could never smoke and go out in public, I feel way too self-conscious.   

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« Reply #12 on: May 08, 2017, 07:07:18 pm »
As for making 'every situation' better, no definitely not for me.  It's always been a strictly at-home thing for me.  I could never smoke and go out in public, I feel way too self-conscious.   

I could smoke and go out in public, but I wasn't completely comfortable with it.  After a few years I started having panic attacks, not every time, but it became a bit of a crapshoot about whether it would be good or bad.   So I had to quit - feeling scared to death for a couple of hours at a time wasn't fun, even if it only happened once out of ten.

I had a toke about a year and a half ago, no panic attack, but nothing like what I remember.  It was peaceful, calm, quiet - like a heavy snowfall had blanketed me and I felt oddly separated from myself.   I didn't like it, though I can see why people would. 

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« Reply #13 on: May 09, 2017, 07:51:39 am »
Way back when I was a regular hippy-dippy pot smoker, I would occasionally mention that I wondered what this stuff did long term.  I was reassured by my friends that pot was positively good for you, that it 'cleared out the lungs', left nothing behind in your body, and essentially had no effect at all.  This made very little sense to me, since the whole point of pot was that it 'had an effect' and even if it were true that the pot itself did nothing to one's lungs, what about the paper it was (often) wrapped in?  My first experience with the illogic of the committed, I guess.

I think your study fails to distinguish physical and mental addiction. There are no physical withdrawal effects from quitting, even after smoking regularly for years, other than lucid dreams and maybe a mild headache.  But lots of people are psychologically addicted (which isn't necessarily any better).

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« Reply #14 on: May 09, 2017, 10:05:25 am »
I think your study fails to distinguish physical and mental addiction. There are no physical withdrawal effects from quitting, even after smoking regularly for years, other than lucid dreams and maybe a mild headache.  But lots of people are psychologically addicted (which isn't necessarily any better).
From: http://www.webmd.com/mental-health/addiction/news/20080507/withdrawal-symptoms-from-smoking-pot (A study of a group of long-term pot smokers):
A total of 42.4% experienced at least one withdrawal symptom -- most commonly, cravings, irritability, boredom, anxiety, and sleep disturbances -- when they tried to quit. Of those who reported withdrawal symptoms, 78.4% said they started smoking pot again to reduce them. Overall, 33.3% of participants resumed cannabis use to reduce or avoid withdrawal symptoms.