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Re: Justin Trudeau: the White Supremacist
« Reply #30 on: February 07, 2017, 04:02:01 pm »
You're calling it justification, not me. It's an explanation. You're also comparing "angst" to empirically observable systematic violence against black people.

Not in evidence.

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Re: Justin Trudeau: the White Supremacist
« Reply #31 on: February 07, 2017, 04:11:05 pm »
Let's take this a step further. You say there's no evidence, yet publications from our own government researchers debunks your claim.

I have not seen any such facts.
That visible minorities would earn less than white Canadians would be self-evident logic given the majority of the former are immigrants from third world countries with poor communications skills.

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How many black people are killed by Toronto police? We have no god damned clue, but the black community is completely distrustful of them.

We do know, however, that most of the violent crime in Toronto is coming from the Black community, from Black street gangs in particular. And while we don't keep statistics the continual black faces on the news every time there's a murder or serious criminal offense would seem to indicate the likelihood that there would be numerous unfriendly interactions between police and members of the Black community.

As I've said before, the statistically greater level of violent interaction between the Black community and police, both here and the US, is due to the statistically greater percentage of the Black community who are criminals. Don't be a criminal, and you should be fine.

I do acknowledge that young black males are stopped and checked by police much more often than young white/yellow/brown males. But that is a police response to the high criminality rate of young Black males in general. I'm sure it's a PITA to honest Black men, but I don't know what we can do about unless we want the police to back off and leave them alone - as they did in Chicago.


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« Reply #32 on: February 09, 2017, 11:49:23 pm »
Of course she is. You know who else was a black supremacist? Malcolm X. There's an argument to be made that MLK could only preach peace because the alternative was a black panther movement that was threatening violence. That peace became an option because the United States government's choice were that or violent chaos. While I think this woman is an idiot, radicals like her are important to give credibility to more moderate advocates on her side.

More importantly, I think it's important to see why she would be radicalized. She's looking at a society that has shown systematically that black people's lives are worth a hell of a lot less than white people's. I know there's a lot of conservative snowflakes who don't like to recognize that fact and that in and of itself denies the violence and death that have been brought down upon black people literally by government agencies. Violence and death, mind you, that is not experienced by white people. I don't have to worry about getting shot by a cop for complying with them. We have numerous incidents on video where black people, despite trying to comply, are still beaten or even murdered by police.

So yeah. She's a radical and is using extreme language and frankly I think some of the things she says are idiotic. However, she doesn't exist in a vacuum. Her views are in direct opposition to a society that she sees is gravely threatening to her and people like her. It's a violent reaction to violence perpetrated against her and her community.

I respect this woman's anger at systemic racism by white ppl. But there is no excuse for this.  This isn't anger, it's hatred.  I support her fight and BLM's fight, but she needs to check herself before she wrecks herself.  I hope she's able to rid her heart of this hate and wish her the best.
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Re: Justin Trudeau: the White Supremacist
« Reply #33 on: February 10, 2017, 07:26:23 am »
This isn't anger, it's hatred.
Of course it's hatred. Why wouldn't she hate her oppressors? Malcolm X was a black supremacist and he went down in history as a monumental figure in the black rights movement.

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« Reply #34 on: February 10, 2017, 08:27:54 am »
Of course it's hatred. Why wouldn't she hate her oppressors? Malcolm X was a black supremacist and he went down in history as a monumental figure in the black rights movement.
Except there are no oppressors in this day and age. It is nothing but of figment of her imagination.

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« Reply #35 on: February 10, 2017, 08:36:01 am »
Except there are no oppressors in this day and age. It is nothing but of figment of her imagination.
Except you're wrong, but whatever.

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Re: Justin Trudeau: the White Supremacist
« Reply #36 on: February 10, 2017, 08:50:27 am »
Except you're wrong, but whatever.
No I am not. Blowhards like this woman need to great villains to explain their own shortcomings so they create mythical constructs like 'systematic racism'.

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Re: Justin Trudeau: the White Supremacist
« Reply #37 on: February 10, 2017, 09:56:51 am »
Insulting her is a strong sign of just how weak your position is. Maybe you can look into setting up a safe space so black rights activists don't trigger you.

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Re: Justin Trudeau: the White Supremacist
« Reply #38 on: February 10, 2017, 09:58:40 am »
Lets keep it friendly gentlemen.

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Re: Justin Trudeau: the White Supremacist
« Reply #39 on: February 10, 2017, 11:23:43 am »
Insulting her is a strong sign of just how weak your position is. Maybe you can look into setting up a safe space so black rights activists don't trigger you.
You called her an "idiot" so get down off your high horse. In Canadian society to is it simply not credible to claim that any "systematic racism" exists. There are obviously individuals who say racist things (like this woman), however, there is nothing in our institutions that discriminates based on race (other than special rights given to aboriginals but that is another topic).

The one issue where I have some sympathy for is the fact that the disproportionate involvement in crime by blacks means that the police disproportionately question blacks when investigating crimes. This is obviously a concern to the majority of law abiding blacks and there is a need better police training when it comes to this problem. That said, I don't see this issue as sufficient to support a claim that "systematic racism" exists because it is a rational response to the proportion of crimes committed by blacks.
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Re: Justin Trudeau: the White Supremacist
« Reply #40 on: February 11, 2017, 05:24:15 am »
Of course it's hatred. Why wouldn't she hate her oppressors? Malcolm X was a black supremacist and he went down in history as a monumental figure in the black rights movement.

I can understand why black people would harbor anger or hatred toward white people.  But I think that if she's going to post black supremacist material, like her post on the magical power of melanin, it damages the credibility of her group.

You wrote earlier that the fringe (Black Panther movement) helped legitimize the moderate voice (MLK Jr) as the mainstream.  But I thought BLM was supposed to be the mainstream voice.  If BLM Toronto is the fringe and not the mainstream, then Pride Toronto shouldn't be caving to BLM demands like excluding police from Pride events.

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Re: Justin Trudeau: the White Supremacist
« Reply #41 on: February 11, 2017, 10:37:12 am »
I can understand why black people would harbor anger or hatred toward white people.  But I think that if she's going to post black supremacist material, like her post on the magical power of melanin, it damages the credibility of her group.
Of course it does. There's been calls for her to resign for the benefit of BLM. In other words, she's making it a radical group and many people disagree with that. But radicalism is nothing new. Hell, the first nations could benefit for more radical demonstrations.

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Re: Justin Trudeau: the White Supremacist
« Reply #42 on: February 11, 2017, 12:42:24 pm »
Of course it does. There's been calls for her to resign for the benefit of BLM. In other words, she's making it a radical group and many people disagree with that. But radicalism is nothing new. Hell, the first nations could benefit for more radical demonstrations.

Being radical helps nobody.  It's why a lot of people don't take the tea party seriously and partly a reason why Hilary lost the election.  It's also why a lot of people are now getting tired with a lot of First Nations being obstructionist out of spite which is not allowing projects to get done.  Being radical and unreasonable does nothing to help their cause.

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Re: Justin Trudeau: the White Supremacist
« Reply #43 on: February 11, 2017, 12:50:24 pm »
It's why a lot of people don't take the tea party seriously
People don't take the Tea Party seriously because a bunch of white Christians whining about oppression look like even bigger idiots than this BLM person.

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« Reply #44 on: February 11, 2017, 03:45:29 pm »
People don't take the Tea Party seriously because a bunch of white Christians whining about oppression look like even bigger idiots than this BLM person.

Precisely, it's whining about oppression when there is no actual law oppressing people, that being said they may have a point with affirmative action laws on the books.   At least the tea party was able to get into office and fight from within.  Yet Enough people took the tea party seriously to give them seats.

A big part of why trump won is because many leftists would shout racist, sexist, bigot, or homophobe too many times without evidence in order to shut down debate that enough people got tired of it.  In the 1960s that was a valid point as there were actual laws on the books oppressing people and the movement eventually got those laws struck down.  Now people are shouting racism at "the man", shouting racism at phantoms is one way to set someone up for failure as there is nothing concrete to fight.  For fights against racism to be successful there needs to be something concrete.  Suggesting all republicans are like David duke is ridiculous and takes away credibility.