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Offline Moonlight Graham

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Re: Justin Trudeau: the White Supremacist
« Reply #15 on: February 06, 2017, 11:02:15 pm »
But she's so persuasive.. .

LOL.  Well what actually scares me is that there's other young minorities in Canada that think and feel this way, and agree with her. 
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Re: Justin Trudeau: the White Supremacist
« Reply #16 on: February 06, 2017, 11:24:50 pm »
Actually, it's quite encouraging to know that she doesn't hate me for what my ancestors might have done to her ancestors, but rather, because I'm sub human. 

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Re: Justin Trudeau: the White Supremacist
« Reply #17 on: February 07, 2017, 08:20:23 am »
She's not just  a garden variety idiot, she's also a genuine black supremacist:

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Of course she is. You know who else was a black supremacist? Malcolm X. There's an argument to be made that MLK could only preach peace because the alternative was a black panther movement that was threatening violence. That peace became an option because the United States government's choice were that or violent chaos. While I think this woman is an idiot, radicals like her are important to give credibility to more moderate advocates on her side.

More importantly, I think it's important to see why she would be radicalized. She's looking at a society that has shown systematically that black people's lives are worth a hell of a lot less than white people's. I know there's a lot of conservative snowflakes who don't like to recognize that fact and that in and of itself denies the violence and death that have been brought down upon black people literally by government agencies. Violence and death, mind you, that is not experienced by white people. I don't have to worry about getting shot by a cop for complying with them. We have numerous incidents on video where black people, despite trying to comply, are still beaten or even murdered by police.

So yeah. She's a radical and is using extreme language and frankly I think some of the things she says are idiotic. However, she doesn't exist in a vacuum. Her views are in direct opposition to a society that she sees is gravely threatening to her and people like her. It's a violent reaction to violence perpetrated against her and her community.

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« Reply #18 on: February 07, 2017, 08:58:26 am »
Ha! Nice CC.

I have seen people use such logic to justify the infliction of Trump upon us: he's just a reflection of white trash angst, the "front row kids" should pay more attention to the back row kids etc etc....

Its a BS way to justify the unjustifable. 
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« Reply #19 on: February 07, 2017, 09:11:20 am »
You're calling it justification, not me. It's an explanation. You're also comparing "angst" to empirically observable systematic violence against black people.

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Re: Justin Trudeau: the White Supremacist
« Reply #20 on: February 07, 2017, 09:14:55 am »
But what they feel is real, man!  ;D
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Re: Justin Trudeau: the White Supremacist
« Reply #21 on: February 07, 2017, 09:19:18 am »
That's a whole other issue. Jobs are gone. They are worried about their livelihood. But the fact that they believe black people and immigrants are "skipping the line" so to speak, is another symptom of a racist society.

The jobs aren't coming back and it's not black people and immigrants who took them. They're gone and it's capitalists who offshored them, just like their bank accounts so they don't have to pay for the government services necessary to help those people they fucked by offshoring their jobs.

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Re: Justin Trudeau: the White Supremacist
« Reply #22 on: February 07, 2017, 09:42:32 am »
She's looking at a society that has shown systematically that black people's lives are worth a hell of a lot less than white people's.
This is an "alternative fact" and you know it. Statistics show there are some issues in some counties in the US but there is nothing equivalent going on in Canada. Try making a list of the last 20 shootings by police in Canada and you will find that the overwhelming majority were white.

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Re: Justin Trudeau: the White Supremacist
« Reply #23 on: February 07, 2017, 09:58:48 am »
They're standing in solidarity with people in the United States and there is an extensive history of violence by the RCMP that continues to this day against indigenous peoples. Black people were also discriminated against in Toronto through carding and there's a history of Toronto police harassing the LGBT community. Black people are also treated differently by our courts, just as they are all across the United States, contrary to your "some counties" dismissiveness.

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« Reply #24 on: February 07, 2017, 11:21:44 am »
More importantly, I think it's important to see why she would be radicalized. She's looking at a society that has shown systematically that black people's lives are worth a hell of a lot less than white people's.

Facts not in evidence.

 
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I know there's a lot of conservative snowflakes who don't like to recognize that fact and that in and of itself denies the violence and death that have been brought down upon black people literally by government agencies.

Dwelling on past injustices, real or imagined, does not excuse the misbehavior and racism of this young woman who never experienced any of them.

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I don't have to worry about getting shot by a cop for complying with them.

And yet there have been numerous instances, some captured on video, of unarmed white men shot and killed by police for not complying with them.


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We have numerous incidents on video where black people, despite trying to comply, are still beaten or even murdered by police.

I can think of perhaps one non-criminal killed. And even that's uncertain, since if the person who told the cop he had a gun and then reached for something had been white he very well might have been shot, too.

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Re: Justin Trudeau: the White Supremacist
« Reply #25 on: February 07, 2017, 11:23:44 am »
She's not anti-white supremacist, she's anti-white.  She's what happens when resentment turns into hatred.  She is a hypocrite.  I support BLM but not her comments.

Why do you support them? I mean, especially given this is largely an imported issue from the US?

I believe there are too many police shootings, especially of people with emotional/psychological issues, but that does not seem to be related to race so much as poor police training.

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Re: Justin Trudeau: the White Supremacist
« Reply #26 on: February 07, 2017, 01:10:41 pm »
Facts not in evidence.

 
Dwelling on past injustices, real or imagined, does not excuse the misbehavior and racism of this young woman who never experienced any of them.

And yet there have been numerous instances, some captured on video, of unarmed white men shot and killed by police for not complying with them.


I can think of perhaps one non-criminal killed. And even that's uncertain, since if the person who told the cop he had a gun and then reached for something had been white he very well might have been shot, too.
Good thing there's white people like you to ignore the evidence that's all over the place for you to see and to tell people what they've experienced. I'm sure they'll be happy to know that the disadvantaged position they've been in has had no generational effects whatsoever because some dude on the internet says so. It's especially a good thing too that you know all of this when StatsCan doesn't gather racial demographics and we have to rely on independent research from our universities.

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Re: Justin Trudeau: the White Supremacist
« Reply #27 on: February 07, 2017, 01:13:27 pm »
She's not just  a garden variety idiot, she's also a genuine black supremacist:



She uses the same sort of logic and arguments as white supremacists. So ya.

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Re: Justin Trudeau: the White Supremacist
« Reply #28 on: February 07, 2017, 01:39:28 pm »
Facts not in evidence.
Let's take this a step further. You say there's no evidence, yet publications from our own government researchers debunks your claim.

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Substantial evidence is now available to indicate that the Canadian labour market provides lower economic returns to visible minorities (Li, 1988, 1992b, 1997). Women of colour, in particular, suffer severe market disadvantage. For example, data from the 1986 Census indicate that visible minority women earned about 49 percent of what white men made in the labour market, while visible minority men earned about 80 percent (Li, 1992b: 497). Data from the 1991 Census further show that visible minorities earned substantially less than white Canadians even after differences in human capital and other factors have been taken into account (Li, 1997, 1998b; Pendakur & Pendakur, 1996).

How many black people are killed by Toronto police? We have no god damned clue, but the black community is completely distrustful of them.

https://www.thestar.com/news/crime/2015/08/16/how-many-black-men-have-been-killed-by-toronto-police-we-cant-know.html

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Police civilian watchdog will not release data on the race of those killed by Toronto police — because it doesn’t collect it. Neither does Stats Canada, the Office of the Independent Police Review Director or police themselves.

You say they don't experience this in Canada? You're blind. Black Lives Matter TO is a reaction to violence against their community and the systematic racial discrimination they face.

Ignore it all you want and simply remain ignorant to the problems they face. You've got that privilege as a white upper class retired management level bureaucrat. I expect you to continue blaming the victims instead of listening to them because whenever someone who isn't white claims something, you consistently claim to know better...even when it comes to their own experiences. You need to stfu sometimes and put your listening ears on instead of thinking you know everything.

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Re: Justin Trudeau: the White Supremacist
« Reply #29 on: February 07, 2017, 04:01:30 pm »
Good thing there's white people like you to ignore the evidence that's all over the place for you to see and to tell people what they've experienced. I'm sure they'll be happy to know that the disadvantaged position they've been in has had no generational effects whatsoever because some dude on the internet says so. It's especially a good thing too that you know all of this when StatsCan doesn't gather racial demographics and we have to rely on independent research from our universities.

You're welcome. You have a lot to learn from me.