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Offline SirJohn

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Re: Conservative Party leadership race
« Reply #105 on: April 01, 2017, 04:02:55 pm »
Quote from: ?Impact on April 01, 2017, 01:38:28 pm
It would be more than a little hypocritical for the Conservatives to support a foreign leader, given the endless campaign we endured during the Ignatieff years.

I am on record as not being a fan of O'Leary. Nevertheless, you can't really make the comparison as easily as that. Ignatieff had lived outside of Canada for almost 30 years and had very little connection with it before coming back to assume the leadership of the Liberal party. He went to Oxford, and spent two years in Canada as an assistant professor before leaving for good.  It was entirely fair of the opposition to point out that vast amount of time he's been gone. And as soon as he lost he left again, proving them right about his interest in Canada.

I'm not sure how much time O'Leary has spent outside of Canada. Clearly a lot. But as he says, he has a home in Toronto. That's his primary residence for tax purposes. His wife and kids are there. His kids go to school and work in Toronto. He also has a home in Boston, one in Geneva, and a cottage in the Muskokas, so he clearly moves around a lot.

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Re: Conservative Party leadership race
« Reply #106 on: April 01, 2017, 06:47:05 pm »
Quote from: SirJohn on April 01, 2017, 03:47:58 pm
Would you care to explain the contradiction here? Or is it just a matter of "Who cares if its true or hypocritical if it works?"

The Liberals would be hypocritical to do it, but the Conservatives would be hypocritical to complain so....
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Re: Conservative Party leadership race
« Reply #107 on: April 01, 2017, 07:41:14 pm »
Quote from: SirJohn on April 01, 2017, 03:47:58 pm
Would you care to explain the contradiction here? Or is it just a matter of "Who cares if its true or hypocritical if it works?"

There's a difference between regular Canadians holding jobs outside of Canada, or living part-time outside Canada, and the leader of one of our major parties or the leader of our country just dropping in long enough to campaign/govern and then departing.

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Re: Conservative Party leadership race
« Reply #108 on: April 01, 2017, 08:16:58 pm »
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There's a difference between regular Canadians holding jobs outside of Canada, or living part-time outside Canada, and the leader of one of our major parties or the leader of our country just dropping in long enough to campaign/govern and then departing.

O'Leary has a house in Toronto, which is where his wife and kids are, and pays taxes in Canada.
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Re: Conservative Party leadership race
« Reply #109 on: April 26, 2017, 01:30:24 pm »
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Re: Conservative Party leadership race
« Reply #110 on: April 26, 2017, 01:41:55 pm »
Apparently the ballots have already been sent out with his name on them....
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« Reply #111 on: April 26, 2017, 03:24:58 pm »
Hard to believe it took him this long to figure out that his inability to speak French may cost him the general election.

Something tells me he knew he's a loser (in the leadership race of course).   ;)
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Re: Conservative Party leadership race
« Reply #112 on: April 26, 2017, 05:21:51 pm »
Quote from: cybercoma on April 26, 2017, 01:30:24 pm
O'Leary out. Endorses Bernier.

Smart move. I don't think that the CPC will be able to win in 2019, but at least now they will get a lot closer.
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Re: Conservative Party leadership race
« Reply #113 on: April 26, 2017, 08:25:02 pm »
I think he is full of it. He put himself out there, asked people to support him and then bailed on them. Great publicity for his brand though.
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« Reply #114 on: April 27, 2017, 06:49:16 am »
In my opinion, he learned from Trump's mistakes. O'Leary is a businessman. He's only interested in money. Running for Conservative leadership was a way of raising his profile and keeping him in the spotlight, which only serves to improve his brand: him. He's smarter than Trump though. He left before his best before date came up and people soured to him, ruining his brand. Trump wasn't that smart and now his daughter is selling clothes under a pseudonym because of the damage he's done to his brand.
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Re: Conservative Party leadership race
« Reply #115 on: May 27, 2017, 09:27:37 pm »
A Scheer upset.  I think I agree with Warren Kinsella.  Trudeau will mop the floor with him in 2019. 
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« Reply #116 on: May 28, 2017, 01:21:13 pm »
I am not convinced that the Conservative party needed to do anything radical.  I don't think their defeat in the last election was due to any great failure by the party so much as in being tired of Stephen Harper.  I don't know anything about Andrew Scheer, but from what I'm reading it seems like he's a more media-friendly guy in the Harper mold, as opposed to a big change. That might be all they need.

A lot of people seem to think Trudeau is a rock star whose personal popularity will crush his opponents... but a lot of people see him as a lightweight who is all style and no substance.  Perhaps right now Trudeau would clean up in the next election, but things change.  If things don't go smoothly over the next couple of years, the rock-star persona might not be enough.

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Re: Conservative Party leadership race
« Reply #117 on: May 28, 2017, 05:21:12 pm »
I guess young, career politicians aren't a problem for the CPC now that it's one of their own.
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Re: Conservative Party leadership race
« Reply #118 on: May 28, 2017, 05:33:22 pm »
Quote from: jmt18325 on May 27, 2017, 09:27:37 pm
A Scheer upset.  I think I agree with Warren Kinsella.  Trudeau will mop the floor with him in 2019.

It's way too early to make any predictions.  Trudeau could implode.  NDP could pick a strong candidate and divide the left again. 

Scheer could win thanks to nothing other than our stupid FPTP system.
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Re: Conservative Party leadership race
« Reply #119 on: May 29, 2017, 09:44:59 pm »
I'm just happy O'Leary didn't win.  Interesting how young the CPC and Liberal leaders are. 

I liked Rona Ambrose, too bad...
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