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« Reply #30 on: February 03, 2017, 03:52:59 pm »
Well so far we have Kellyanne Conway with her "alternative facts", Trumps press secretary and some of his cabinet spouting outright lies, bans on immigration, and an Attorney General fired for for pointing out the illegality of an Exec. Order. What's next, 2+2 equals 5? Things look a little grim, unlesss of course you happen to own the copyright to 1984.

The attorney general was fired for not enforcing the executive order.  There is consensus that she had to go.  Whether or not she was in the right is up for debate.

All press secretaries conjure up malarkey.  Trump is at war with the press and the press is dancing to his music.  If the press wants to beat trump, they have to pick their fights with him or they lose credibility.

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« Reply #31 on: February 03, 2017, 04:04:31 pm »
The attorney general was fired for not enforcing the executive order.  There is consensus that she had to go.  Whether or not she was in the right is up for debate.

I have to go with you here.  She should have just carried out the order, or resigned.  I was wrong when I said differently. 

It's also in fact true that her department was consulted before the EO was signed. 

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All press secretaries conjure up malarkey.  Trump is at war with the press and the press is dancing to his music.  If the press wants to beat trump, they have to pick their fights with him or they lose credibility.

Not like the crowd thing.  He ruined any credibility there.

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« Reply #32 on: February 03, 2017, 05:21:56 pm »
I have to go with you here.  She should have just carried out the order, or resigned.  I was wrong when I said differently. 

It's also in fact true that her department was consulted before the EO was signed. 

Not like the crowd thing.  He ruined any credibility there.

Everyone knows a lot of what comes out of trumps mouth is fluff and/or made up.  I think his game is to get the media to bite on his made up fluff and to big themselves down in it so he rams his policy thru.  He has had a very active first 14 days and by having the press be outraged at every little thing he does is take their credibility away.  The press should pick their fights.  Trump is at war with the media and his goal is to turn people off of them, part of that is to paint them as crying wolf.

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« Reply #33 on: February 03, 2017, 10:23:23 pm »
The attorney general was fired for not enforcing the executive order.  There is consensus that she had to go.  Whether or not she was in the right is up for debate.

All press secretaries conjure up malarkey.  Trump is at war with the press and the press is dancing to his music.  If the press wants to beat trump, they have to pick their fights with him or they lose credibility.

The AG was fired because she provided her learned opinion as to the lagality of the Muslim ban. That's her job. Wimpy boy just got his nose out of joint.

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« Reply #34 on: February 04, 2017, 12:39:34 am »
Except there was consensus that trump was fine to can her for not doing her job. 

She is free to act on her beliefs and trump is free to can her
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« Reply #35 on: February 04, 2017, 07:44:27 am »
Except there was consensus that trump was fine to can her for not doing her job. 

She is free to act on her beliefs and trump is free to can her
She wasn't acting on her "beliefs" though. She was acting on her professional understanding of the law and upholding the constitution according to her oath of office.

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« Reply #36 on: February 04, 2017, 09:30:24 am »
CNN head warns Trump. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2017/01/19/cnns-president-has-fired-a-warning-shot-at-donald-trump/?tid=hybrid_experimentrandom_2_na&utm_term=.9e1f5b5eaa45

Wonder how this will play out. He has a point, when I was flying overseas the two networks you could always seem to count on in hotels were CNN and BBC World, not FOX. Neither are going to be intimidated by Trump.

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« Reply #37 on: February 04, 2017, 11:05:10 am »
The Obama years were extremely good for Fox News.

And if CNN becomes known as the news network that's not going to be intimidated by Trump, the Trump years will be very good for CNN.

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« Reply #38 on: February 04, 2017, 11:13:56 am »
Trump administration had a draft of an executive order to overturn Obama's protection for LGBT federal workers...  Ivanka Trump and her husband campaigned against it, leading to last week's White House statement that the protections will remain in place.

http://www.politico.com/story/2017/02/ivanka-trump-jared-kushner-lgbt-order-234617

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« Reply #39 on: February 04, 2017, 01:31:00 pm »
So heading into week 2  we have a fired AG and now a federal judge putting a restraining order against a Trump EO. (travel plan) So the fight with the judicial branch seems to be simmering away, so I wonder how things are going over in Congress. Is this the start of 4 years of turmoil?

 http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-immigration-idUSKBN15I1CM

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« Reply #40 on: February 04, 2017, 01:33:12 pm »
CNN head warns Trump. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2017/01/19/cnns-president-has-fired-a-warning-shot-at-donald-trump/?tid=hybrid_experimentrandom_2_na&utm_term=.9e1f5b5eaa45

Wonder how this will play out. He has a point, when I was flying overseas the two networks you could always seem to count on in hotels were CNN and BBC World, not FOX. Neither are going to be intimidated by Trump.

Nobody will be intimidated by anyone.  Trump has pulled a fast one by getting the head of CNN to admit that if trump doesn't play nice there is to be biased coverage.  Now trump can yell fake news till he's blue in the face.  Given what streaming video online is doing to the tv industry there is no monopoly on news which is good as there are many people holding the whitehouse accountable and a lot of competition holding the press corps accountable.

The problem with too many talking heads is that there will never be a "free to choose" series which was fantastic. 
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« Reply #41 on: February 04, 2017, 01:59:44 pm »
I think you give trump far too much credit.  I don't get any sense of organization of knowledge from this White House.  All I can see is chaos.

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« Reply #42 on: February 04, 2017, 03:58:54 pm »
Nobody will be intimidated by anyone.  Trump has pulled a fast one by getting the head of CNN to admit that if trump doesn't play nice there is to be biased coverage.  Now trump can yell fake news till he's blue in the face.  Given what streaming video online is doing to the tv industry there is no monopoly on news which is good as there are many people holding the whitehouse accountable and a lot of competition holding the press corps accountable.

The problem with too many talking heads is that there will never be a "free to choose" series which was fantastic.

One problem with Trump as he keeps putting out fake news (such his inauguration attendance #'s etc.) until he is, well, orange in the face. And there are those that buy it simply because he said it. And then when he does get caught out, he just says he didn't say it, and conjures up another illegal EO.

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« Reply #43 on: February 04, 2017, 04:35:54 pm »
I think you give trump far too much credit.  I don't get any sense of organization of knowledge from this White House.  All I can see is chaos.

Yea, every time one of his supporters says "It's a plan", I just shake my head.   
“Neither a man nor a crowd nor a nation can be trusted to act humanely or to think sanely under the influence of a great fear.”
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« Reply #44 on: February 04, 2017, 05:00:46 pm »
Nobody will be intimidated by anyone.  Trump has pulled a fast one by getting the head of CNN to admit that if trump doesn't play nice there is to be biased coverage.  Now trump can yell fake news till he's blue in the face.  Given what streaming video online is doing to the tv industry there is no monopoly on news which is good as there are many people holding the whitehouse accountable and a lot of competition holding the press corps accountable.

The problem with too many talking heads is that there will never be a "free to choose" series which was fantastic.

Yay, quote function works.

CNN International and BBC World Service are different animals from their domestic kin. If people see their reporting and it is backed up by their own and other media sources, Trump can scream fake all he wants but the rest of the world won't be buying it. They don't have to be biased, all they need are facts.
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